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Re: Help with pricing before I buy on 11/30/07 [dhi3]
by effect18 on Sun Dec 02 11:58:15 PST 2007
Is this price OTD?
Experience with different dealers in PA and other states
by nikunash on Sun Nov 04 15:11:59 PST 2007
Here are my opinions from my car buying experience- 1) Pacifico Hyundai (Philadelphia, PA) - This is the place where I bought the car from, so needless to say, I was pretty happy with the way they treated me. We finalized on the price before I entered the showroom and no undue pressure was put on me to make a deal. Initially, I was not happy with the test drive since I could hear some dull sound at the back; but they fixed it by replacing the rear tires and I did not hear the sound at the time of the second test drive. Overall, everything went smoothly. :) 2) Freysinger Hyundai (Mechanicsburg, PA) - The salesman was extremely helpful and he took out a lot of time to talk with me and answer my queries. He was vry patient with me and did not try to push me to buy. I would have bought the car from him if he had my desired configuration in stock. 3) Harrisburg Hyundai (Harrisburg, PA) - These guys were classic bait-and-switchers. They tell you on the phone that they have the desired configuration in stock but when you get there, it has suddenly been sold in the past few minutes but you can buy something else. Please don't play games like this! :mad: 4) Jack Giambalvo Hundai (York, PA) - The salesman was pretty straightforward with me on the phone and told me what he had and didn't have. He had the desired configuration in stock but it was a service loaner. I told him that I wasn't interested and that was the end of the story. 5) Lancaster County Motors (East Petersburg, PA) - The internet salesperson was a pretty sweet lady who megotiated with me on the phone but was straightforward enough to tell me that there was a number she could not go below. It was a pleasant experience dealing with them but they couldn't match the price I was looking for. 6) Savage Auto Group (Reading, PA) - There's one thing about being unwilling to negotiate, but its another thing when you're being downright rude to the customer. The salesperson herself was fine, but when I asked them how long a service loaner had been on the lot, her boss told me - 4 years! I guess it was his way of telling me F*** off :mad: 7) Sussman Auto (Willow Grove, PA) - They were pretty civil to deal with but they didn't have my desired configuration in stock. They definitely need to update their databases though; even though I had informed them 3 times that I have bought the car and they should take me off their list, they continued to send me email reminders. :confuse: 8) Fitzgerald Auto Mall (Gaithesburg, MD) - These guys were great to deal with; no games and everything out in the open. If I had lesser time on my hands and had no interest in negotiating with different people, I would have definitely bought from them. The only funny thing was that dealers in PA were offering me a $2000 rebate but MD dealers were able to offer only $1000. 9) Thompson Automotive (Baltimore, MD) - Again, no wastage of time and an overall great experience. Their price was the lowest of all at $25,603 (That is with only $1000 rebate) and I could see myself buying through them had I not thrown in the towel for around $150 more! 10) Ettleston Hyundai (Countryside, IL) - These guys were pretty clear about the fact that they did not have my configuration in stock. As with other dealers in a similar position, they offered to get the exact configuration from a different dealer, but I know that then their capacity to negotiate is limited. 11) Loren Hyundai (Glenview, IL) - These guys never returned my emails! 12) McGrath City Hyundai (Chicago, IL) - They were pretty aggressive but never in a negative way. They made it clear that they wanted my business and would be willing to negotiate on price to do so. In the end, they didn't have my required configuration in stock. 13) Antwerpen Hyundai (Baltimore, MD) - Never bothered to return my emails. 14) Bob Bell Hyundai (Glen Burnie, MD) - After a number of email exchanges, I finally got the message from them that they did not have my desired configuration in stock. Wasted quite some time going back and forth. 15) Porter Auto Group (Newark, DE) - Were unwilling to go down on price 16) Napleton Hyundai (Chicago, IL) - The salesman was pretty nice about spending a lot of time with me and answering my questions. They did not, however, have my config. in stock. 17) Castle Hyundai (Newcastle DE) - Did not have the config. in stock and tried to sell me others that they did have in stock. Wasn't unpleasant dealing with them though. 18) Ohare Hyundai (Des Plaines, IL) - Were unwilling to go down on price 19) Howard Auto Group (Elmhurst, IL) - Did not have my config. in stock. 20) Global Auto Mall (North Plainfield, NJ) - Did not have config. in stock and called me repeatedly to try to get me in for a testdrive. 21) Turnersville Auto Mall (Turnersville, NJ) - Never got back to me on my earlier enquiry. 22) Gurnee Hyundai (Gurnee, IL) - Did not have my desired config. in stock and tried to get me in for something else, but was quite polite about it.
Re: 2007 Limited Platinum [johnsodyssey1]
by effect18 on Fri Sep 21 18:14:13 PDT 2007
I bought my 2007 Platinum Edition last month for 23,300 OTD. So your price of 21,800 plus tax ($1,308) plus fees should put you in about the same range. I have seen people posting better prices, some say they have gotten it for 22,500 OTD. So if they wont budge on the price, make them throw in some mud guards(i wish i would have) and a cargo tray(cool rubber mat for the trunk that protects the carpeting). Here's another hint, dealers are offering the $2,500 rebate on 2008's. When my salesman couldnt find the 2007 Platinum, he said "ah well, we'll just have to take a hit on a 08." I asked, you can do that? He said, "if your gonna buy it, we're gonna sell it to you" Not to mention, they will be remodelling the Sonata for 09, so negotiate accordingly. Just know, the 08 will have everything the Platinum has, but it wont be a Platinum(they were only made in 07) Good luck, and its a great car... you'll love it!
Re: 2007 Hyundai Elantra SE w/ XM [butterflytiff]
by effect18 on Fri Sep 21 17:20:00 PDT 2007
Hey, just wanted to say your making a good choice. My wife loves her 07 Elantra. As for the price I got her... she traded in her 1997 Saturn(bucket), which was virtually worthless to the dealer. But they are advertising(im sure you've seen the ads) 4,000 off any trade in no matter what the condition. Of course there's a catch, but you can use this as leverage when getting a good deal. If you dont have a trade in, I still think you can manage 15,600. How many times have you been back to the dealership? One trick I think works good is to go at night around 7:30, 8(they close at 9) This will make them work harder because they dont have a lot of time to screw you around, and they want to make the deal and get home already. Just be willing to be in there late(I didnt leave until close to 11). Here are a few tips: 1. They are not your friends, so don't go for the "your stealing the car from me" bit. They can afford to take a hit, and you can't! 2. Make them tell you no, again and again until you leave. They will act like they cant budge on a price, and when you express your absolute unmovableness, they will come better. 3. Once you set your OTD price, make sure they honor that to the tee. I made my Finance Manager change the paperwork 3 times because the numbers the salesman quoted me kept creeping up on the paperwork. If they say 15,800 OTD make sure its that and not a penny more. They can move the numbers around and make it work. Dont take no for an answer. 4. They include window etching for like $300 on your invoice, so use this as a bargaining tool as well. If they dont take this off, then make them throw in mud guards (appr.$75), cargo tray(appr.$80), window rain gaurds (appr.$80), or maybe an automatic starter, whatever you like and think will justify this $300. I wish I would have had someone to help me through my first two Hyundai purchases so its my pleasure to reach back and try and make your experience as good as mine. Nothing feels better than getting what you want, at a great price.
Re: Just bought a '07 Sonata Limited Platinum Edition [rhduke00] [effect1] [rhduke00] [effect18] [bhmr59]
by effect18 on Mon Aug 20 22:53:52 PDT 2007
Ok... MSRP(window sticker): $26,395.00 Selling Price: $25,763.17 (including sales tax) Sales Tax: $1,338.71 Rebate: $3,000 License and Reg: $171.00 NJ Tire Tax Fee: $7.50 Doc Fee: $289.00 Down Payment: $3,000 OTD: $23,230.67 Amount Financed: $20,230.67 Guess what, upon second glance at my contract, I see that they didn't penalize me for the trade in. It says that the car's gross allowance(money paid by the dealership) is 5,300, less the amount owing 5,300 equals a net trade in of 0(zero). So it looks like they didn't add the 800 to the top of my deal. Only thing they probably got away with was the Doc fee.
Re: Just bought a '07 Sonata Limited Platinum Edition [rhduke00] [effect1] [rhduke00]
by effect18 on Mon Aug 20 14:57:19 PDT 2007
rhduke00: Thanx you seem to be the only one who really understands all the paramaters of a deal. And yes, subtracting my 800 from my 3,000 down payment put me at 2,200 for my downpayment. bhmr59: I think your misunderstanding how it works when you trade a car in that hasn't been paid off. You dont subtract the price the dealership pays off the loan for from the price of the new car. I am familiar with the trade in games, but the only way I could have been gamed on my trade in is if they undervalued it(which they didn't because I got more than it was worth). Or if they inflated the Sonata's price, which they didnt. All in all, I'm very happy with my purchase, and my deal.

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