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Enclave, Outlook and Acadia Production Disrupted

by tencjedd on Thu Apr 17 07:44:10 PDT 2008

Union workers go on strike at GM plant near Lansing: reports 10:37a ET April 17, 2008 (MarketWatch) SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- General Motors Corp. employees represented by the United Auto Workers union have walked off the job at a plant in Delta Township, Mich., according to media reports Thursday. The walk off comes just after a contract dispute deadline, the reports said. The GM plant makes the Buick Enclave, Saturn Outlook and GMC Acadia crossover vehicles.

Re: Ordered a CXL AWD loaded....... [bondguy1]

by nunzi on Sat Apr 12 16:45:25 PDT 2008

Bondguy... Yes I live in Long Island but we had no snow. I picked it up Feb and these Rust signs should still not show so soon.. I thought the same thing but it is April and your telling me 2 mths of no harsh weather would cause this??? I think not... Also the check engine light goes on... thenn it dosent.. I am loving this car but I just hope I do not regret this .. Yours sounds great... Check out the "Buick Enclave owners give us your report " section... I get the chills....Millie :surprise:

Re: Ordered a CXL AWD loaded....... [djt123]

by nunzi on Wed Apr 09 17:07:07 PDT 2008

Ordered my White tricoat cxl on Nov 9... picked it up Feb 13.. so yes estimate 8-12 wks if not sooner. I had the holidays to contend with so you may be better off. I love the car it is stunning however I am reading a lot of horror stories about it like rusting under the carriage. Mine is showing such a thing and it has been in the garage with little exposure to rugh weather. Also check engine light sensor problems it goes on and on look at "Buick owners give us your report" section. It is heartbreaking because I am really enjoying this car and all the starses I get but I hope I do not regret this... Millie. :surprise:

Re: Is This A Good Deal [Car_man]

by bondguy1 on Sun Apr 06 04:33:56 PDT 2008

I don't have the contract in front of me at this moment but I remember seeing something for cap cost of about $39,900 or around there...maybe $39,940...something like that. As far as paying that much for a Buick and being able to get a BMW for that money...go try and do it in my market in South Florida. No money down on a BMW lease is still coming out of pocket with about $4,000 at start. Second, there were no BMW's that interest me. The 5 series to me is ugly as heck, the 7 series too expensive and the 5 series SUV is way too much money to lease...probably about $800+ per month plus tax. I could have leased a Volvo or Mazda CX9 for low $500's including tax and it had more stuff on it featurewise but it's not the same car. First of all, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the Mazda only come with a 3/36 warranty? If so, and I was going to lease for 39 months with 15K/annually , what happens when I'm over mileage? I thought the same as you...that much for a Buick...I couldn't even believe I was getting a Buick. I could have for similar money got a Tahoe or bigger SUV. I could have leased a brand new Lincoln Navigator for $597/month sign and drive with scheduled maintenance included...only 10,500 miles allowed per year but could have probably bumped it up to 15K for a little more per month..problem is, my wife is only 4'11" tall...she can't park something that huge...second, do I really want to get only 13 MPG on a Navigator (NO). I was coming out of a fully loaded 2005 Audi A6...second Audi A6 lease in a row...six years of a German car (although a great car) and I was ready for a change. I never had an SUV before and liked the style and features on the Buick. I was saying the same thing as you about paying that much for a Buick. The Audi Q7 SUV is nice looking but has too many terrible reviews...the cars are a mechanical nightmare...had a friend who purchased one and had to Lemon Law the thing. Plus, they similarly equipped as the Buick were at $61,000 pricetag. So, I put it to you...find me that BMW or Mercedes for the same money...oh, yes, I could have leased the Merdedes R class (the stationwagon looking one) for probably similar money but don't like the looks and there are way too many Mercedes in my area...the service at the Mercedes dealers locally is terrible....you have to make an appointment weeks in advance...I don't want that hassle nor do I like driving something that looks like a stationwagon. I like the fact that there aren't too many Enclaves on the road...more unique is okay with me. And, the reliability of Buick according to the JD Power results from August of 07' were number one, tied with Lexus. My residual I think was 59% for a 39 month lease. Total including first payment at start to dealer was $1,250 check. For what it's worth, that $660 per month is including tax.Also, you have to figure in other factors. On most new leases, unless you go for another term with the same brand afterwards, you have a big disposition fee (a nice way for the leasing company to scrw you out of anywhere from $300 to $400 extra dollars to turn the car in). So, add that into the equation...no dispostition with GM. Second, I am allowed on my lease to turn it in with up to $5,000 dollars in damage (hopefully not enough dents or dings will be on the car to equal that amount). This means, that if my tires ar low on tread or there are a few scratches or the interior is dirty, I can safely turn it in without worries. You obviously have never leased a Lexus and then not released with them again. I have freiends who have done this and their leasing company (not sure it it was Toyota Financial or not) tried screwing them out of perfectly clean looking cars...claiming the leather was dirty and charging them and similar other things. No worry lease with GM in that department. So, again, I put it to you, the choices when you factor all of these things in arent' as clear cut as you say. Plus, which Lexus are you talking about for less money per month? An RX series SUV which is tiny and styled from 8 to 10 years old with new tailights or trim to call it the new model this year...nope, not for me. The Enclave is a car that has a long list of great features, good warranty and more unique looking than all the other choices in this price range. Just my opinions though!!!

Re: CXL Lease Quote: Thanks, but NO THANKS [dammitjim1]

by bondguy1 on Thu Mar 13 17:19:41 PDT 2008

Correct. I couldn't agree more. I am also going to look at the CX9 (by the way, Motor Trends SUV of the year, not Buick). And, the Buick doesn't have a lot of the available options that are available on Audi...voice command for NAV, Radio, Telephone. Buick Enclave doesn't offer Bluetooth built-in to their vehicle. Satellite Radio (Sirius) is standard on Audi (you get a few months free and then pay for subscription...but it isn't standard on Buick). The Buick has the Xenon headlamps but if you want the ones that go side to side, you have to get an extra package. Keyless entry isn't even available on the Buick...on Audi, just touch the door handle, keep the key in your pocket (any of the four doors or trunk) and the door opens. Push a button inside the car and it starts or stops. If the Buick claims to be the ultimate in SUV luxury, why did they omit some of these features or at least why didn't they offer them as optional? Oh, Audi also has available a warning if you change lanes unintentionally...as if you are tired and doze off or looking down for a second...a great safety feature.

Newly purchased Enclave CXL FWD

by blake3208 on Sat Apr 05 22:42:11 PDT 2008

Just purchased the CXL FWD, using the GM Military Discount. What a hassle...but stayed firm and bought it for a couple dollars over invoice. Specifically, invoice = 36,444 cost = 36,536. Went to the Buick website and used the "Build It" link and it searched the surrounding area for the most closely matched vehicle. One dealer pretty much refused to sell me the vehicle stating that the vehicle that came up in the search was already sold. I asked them to find another one in the area and they did, but the next day they said that was sold. I asked for the dealer's info, since deals fall through sometimes, and they refuse to give it to me. That when I knew something was shady. I did another search and found another dealer that again closely matched and when through some haggling with them. They didn't want to give me the military discount either. I then said that this is a corporate discount and they were the second dealer refusing to give it to me since the vehicle is somewhat of a hot seller and that I was going to notify GM about this practice. To make a already long story short I got $2500 off the MSRP and an additional $500 for a military rebate. Glad that's over with...I hope! I just hope that other military personnel aren't going through this. :mad:

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