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Re: 2009 Deal-Comments? [mattylip]
by ghstudio on Thu Sep 03 14:59:56 PDT 2009
OK...progress. They aren't losing money. I believe there is marketing money available to move the 2009's...it was $2000...and if it's still available, then you should view the invoice price as the invoice he showed you less $2000. I believe they could take off another $1500 using the marketing money. I suspect they are also charging an administration fee of probably $500 or so which is just profit for the dealer. Dealers would like you to believe that's a charge after you negotiate your price...but it's really part of the negotiated price. When they give you a price, make sure it includes this extra "profit" item. The only way to compare leases of different lengths is to add up all the costs....any money you put down up front plus all the payments and then divide by the number of months for the lease. Don't compare monthly payments. AudiCare is up to you....Personally, I don't follow the dealer suggested "required" services because they are the biggest profit item in the entire dealership. You don't need to pay for all those "checks". Just change the oil regularly, change any fluids that the audi book says you have to replace (note..I said audi manual, not the dealer's helpful extras). Rotate the tires when needed. You are not required to do all the dealer suggested services as part of the lease although they will try to convince you to do it. (I've leased about 8 cars...never had a problem with any dealer on service. One interesting check on your dealers ethics.....ask to see what they recommend doing on the different services. If you see them including adding any "additives" (gas/oil), they are actually suggesting something that the manufacturer suggests you not do....it's profit!!!!. I actually had a dealer replace the oil in a jeep because he put in an additive I didn't agree to. He did it after I pointed out that the manual specifically said, do not use any additives!. So I think you should be able to get a little more off the capitalized cost (agreed upon selling price) and you should roll all the fees into the payments. Add all the payments up, you're paying the same thing...so why not pay over time....and you protect yourself if your car is totalled or stolen. good luck.
Re: MSRP [snoasis]
by ghstudio on Mon Aug 24 16:46:10 PDT 2009
why is everyone paying so much down up front......if you are going to lease, then learn about leasing. As far as negotiating, don't even mention leasing.....just bargain for the car as a cash deal and with no trade....cash deal, no financing. Negotiate on $'s over invoice....not dollars off list. Invoice is invoice including shipping. For an A4, my local dealer will sell for $800 over invoice with no haggling. Of course then they add the "mandatory" administrative fee which is pure profit.....so once they mention that, I just lower the $ over invoice a bit....to pay about 1/2 the administrative fee. I figure about $1000 over invoice is OK...they have to make a profit. Then....deduct any marketing money, rebates, incentives off the agreed upon price. If the dealer says they already took that into account, start over because they didn't understand that you are a serious buyer and not a patsy. Then start to talk about leasing....are ther any deals to lease because it is an option. you've already negotiated the price :) ask for the residual and the money factor. For example, audi quotes their residual based on 15K miles and if you're only want 10K miles, you add 3% to the residual. Ask if they offer a discount for multiple security deposits. If they don't know what they are or don't know, ask the finance manager. If neither knows what they are...walk out...you are dealing with financial jerks. Audi may not offer them, but they should know what they are. Finally, tell them to run all the lease options...with NO MONEY DOWN!!!! you pay only first month's payment plus registration fees and any taxes REQUIRED BY LAW. Everything else gets rolled into the lease...that includes bank finance charges, administrative fee. They hate that because it makes your payments higher and they think you'll walk out. What you care about...the only thing you should care about on a lease is the total cost of the lease over the entire lease. Add up all the payments, any money you do put down, any termination fees and then divide by the number of months. That's the real cost of the lease per month. By the way...if you are trading something in for a lease, just have them write you a check for the trade in. It is NOT a downpayment. This will also shake them up....but it's part of the total cost. Dealers will always try to give you the lowest monthly payment...even if it isn't the best deal for you. Why all this....no money down! If your car is stolen or totalled, the leasing company will cover any difference between what you've paid and what your insurance company pays and the total value of the car....gap insurance. But if you've put money down up front...then the amount you've paid INCLUDES that down payment....so there is no gap insurance and you just lose that money. Long response....but I hope it helps.
Re: A4 Quattro 2.0 Prestige w/Drive Select [art234]
by traderfjp on Thu Apr 16 10:40:01 PDT 2009
If you're rolling in dough then this deal is OK. If you're not rolling in dough then I see no reason to get all the goodies. I bought the base car with wood, and blue tooth. I put about 2700 out of pocket and I'm at 419 a month. The 2.0T is a great motor I see no reason to get the 6cyl motor unless you can really afford it and money is no object.
Re: Q7 deal -- sound OK? [td10001]
by td10001 on Thu Feb 05 13:54:08 PST 2009
oh yeah ... 36 mo 15k per
Q7 deal -- sound OK?
by td10001 on Thu Feb 05 13:53:06 PST 2009
'09 3.6 Prem Plus Panoramic Sunroof 20" bi-color cold weather 54925 msrp 52041 invoice 50591 sell px 44% res w/ $650 audi care (was 43% w/o) 0.00056 mf 51241 gross cap cost (incl the audi care) No cap cost red 2037 drive off - no security dep - incl. 1st mo / 625 AFS acq fee / CA lic & fees / 45 doc fee Pmt: 860/mo The numbers seem right to me ... anything look weird here? Bad deal? Thanks
Ordering a car you will lease upon delivery
by nebatuga on Thu Feb 05 09:57:25 PST 2009
I know there are quite a few folks out there who have ordered an A4 with 6 speed manual transmissions. From what I understand, the best current estimate of when 6MTs will show up in the US is late March, early April. Since leasing programs seem to change monthly, I'm wondering how those who have ordered these cars are thinking about leases. That is, are you so certain you want the car that you're OK with whatever the money factor, residuals, selling price, and so forth will be during the month you take delivery? In this economy, I think it's reasonable to believe the terms aren't going to get worse for the consumer, but who knows? Are you confident enough that you can predict the deal you'll get when the car comes in that a few dollars one way or the other won't matter?

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