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2008 BMW 7 Series Consumer Discussions
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BMW 7-Series Maintenance and Repair
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Re: Concerns with maintenance of a 2009 BMW 750LI CPO [momentum28]
Momentum - are you looking at an extended warranty or a CPO car that comes with one? Assuming you are more concerned about the price of repairs versus service costs, most extended plans outside of CPO have several levels of coverage. I priced a few out as I recently bought a 2008, and electrical components may be covered completely, partly, or not at all depending on the plan. Not surprisingly, the ... Read More
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2006 750Li NOT a good INVESTMENT
I hope this post benefits someone interested in getting a 7 Series. If you want a money pit of a car that constantly tugs at your wallet - get this car. If you want a high end car that is less costly to maintain --you might want to consider the following.. We purchased a 2006 750Li around 3 years ago CPO from the local dealership, we paid around 5-7K more at ... Read More
Your opinion-2008 CPO 535i (30K) VS. 2007 750iL (60K)
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Your opinion-2008 CPO 535i (30K) VS. 2007 750iL (60K)
Hi all- Long time lurker, new poster. My lease on my 328i is up in three months, and I've started the search for my next car. I am 99% sure that I'm going to stay with BMW. I have narrowed it down to two cars. • 2008 Certified Pre-Owned 535i 30K Miles Loaded with Sport, Premium, Comfort Access, Cold Weather, etc. $37,900 (haven't started negotiating yet, but I am sure they ... Read More
BMW Bids Bangle Begone
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Re: heading downmarket [Mr_Shiftright]
"Perhaps we are on the cutting edge of yet another breaking trend, that firms like BMW should seriously contemplate---why build cars in the US that are in direct collision with speed laws? " How about in direct collision with gas usage? My BMW 2009 X3 gets 14-15 mpg and it is small for an SUV. I heard that the 5-series Gran Turismo is as large as a 7 series. Isn't that ... Read More
BMW 7-Series 2007+
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Re: Bmw (broken motor works) [nutsaboutcars]
I thought the 2008 750LI is a man's dream car, but it turns out a nightmare. My car having electronics that sometimes work and dont work. Batteries dies on me over six times in less than two years even after tech replace new batteries and cables (fiber optical cables as well per BMW dealer tech... are there related??) Only the BMW dealer's tech can touch my car on all maintance schedule ... Read More
BMW History and Engine Technology
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Re: Going in Reverse [bmwannabe1]
People buy cars for many reasons . . . My 2008 BMW 535i is my first BMW. A new convert, the car is my "ultimate driving machine." That takes the car's utlility off the charts because the drive was my top priority. I once purchased a 1999 Volvo S80, for the safety features, knowing that the transmission was a Chevy that Volvo used because it was the only one that would ... Read More
BMW 7-Series 2007+
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2008 750i
getting 2008 750i with Sport, luxury seating package, 7500 miles for $ 54,900. http://www.tischerbmw.net/used-cars/2008-BMW-7-Series-4dr-Sdn-750i-v170839.aspx Is this a good price? Is there any room to negotiate? thanks
High End Luxury Cars
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A different view of the HELC
Here is another take on the whole HELC thing. 1) Clearly there is no relatonship between purchase price and ownership satisfaction. In fact, for some people the more they pay for a car, the crazier they get if they have a problem. Take a look at the posts on the MB S Class site by a guy who paid 140K for an S63, had his air conditioner compressor fail, and it ... Read More
BMW 7-Series 2007+
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Re: 2006 750Li Rough Idle [mph100]
I am curious as to whether BMW fixed these problems. I am having the exact same issues with a 2008. Local dealer saying all is normal. Everyone in family who drives the car thinks it drives like an overweight minivan. That hurts.
BMW 7-Series Lease Questions
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BMW 750Li lease
Car Man, I'm interested to know if this is a reasonable offer. I'm not current on BMW's rates and everything. Below is an offer they made me for leasing a new 2008 750Li model. I had taxes and everything rolled in. The due at start is first month payment and registration (I'm using plates from my old car on the new one so that saved a little). MSRP: $85725 Your Cost: ... Read More
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Re: 2008 BMW 750LI Lease... [MSUHOCKEY7]
Hi MSUHOCKEY7. Please see my previous post. Thanks and let us know if you have any other questions. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
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Re: 2008 BMW 750LI Lease... [MSUHOCKEY7]
Hi MSUHOCKEY7. Let me begin by saying that $6,000 is way too much money to put down on a lease. I always advise consumers not to make any sort of capitalized cost reduction when leasing. Those who make them risk losing part or all of them if their vehicle is totaled in an accident or stolen and never recovered. Even though it means that your monthly payment will be higher, you ... Read More
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Re: [eric312]
Hi eric312. Technically it is still possible to lease an '08 750i if you can find one. BMW paid dealers ten grand apiece to report them as sold back at thee end of October. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2008 750i with 15,000 miles per year are .00155 and 50%, respectively. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & ... Read More
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Re: 2008 BMW 750LI Lease... [MSUHOCKEY7]
Mr. Car Man or Mr. kyfdx, I have been checking back on the board daily to see if either of you would offer up some feedback. Can either of you post something one way or the other. Or if you dont know just let me know. I thank you very much. MM
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Re: 2008 BMW 750LI Lease... [MSUHOCKEY7]
I got my 750Li from DeSimone BMW of Mt. Laurel here in South Jersey not too long ago with 16k off the 89k MSRP; this dealer had sold me 3 Bimmers so far, including a 08 535xi in late Spring. Now, it is the best time to negotiate the even lower price, all 7er has to go to give the room for 09 7er; then again, there are not that many ... Read More
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2008 BMW 750LI Lease...
Mr. Car Man, I am in the market for a car and have been looking around at various cars. One of the local BMW dealerships sent out a 2008 Blowout email with different cars. One of them was the 2008 BMW 750LI. I am curious to see if this is a good deal? They want $5995 down, 36 months, 10k miles plus inception fees.$599.00 a month I asked them for an ... Read More
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Re: 2008 750LI [hawaiian2]
Aloha hawaiian2. I need to start things off by saying that I'm jealous. It's 40 degrees outside my window right now. Wow, $13,000 is quite a discount for a Hawaiian dealer. I've always heard that there is so little competition there that dealers aren't usually willing to provide much in the way of discounts. Still, this offer is way above dealer invoice. There is probably around a $7,000 spread between this ... Read More
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Re: 2008 750LI [Car_man]
Aloha Car-man Just wanted to run this by you to see if I am getting a good deal or not. Day before yesterday I went to BMW/Honolulu to lease a jet black 750LI MSRP 90,000. They offered the vehicle at $77,000. Original they wanted $5500/No security deposit/36 months/$995 w/tx/Pay off the S550 payment of $2404.00 Now they offered the vehicle at $77,000 and pay off the remainder of my S550 ($2404.00) ... Read More
BMW 7-Series Maintenance and Repair
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#634 of 634 1992 BMW 735i by danbouy
Due to needed repairs I had to park my car. The date to have repairs made has been extended twice. The other day I went to start the car and of course realized I was unable to get the key to unlock the door, not to speak of accessing the battery that is now dead and needs to be charged. What do I do now? Is there anyone out there who ... Read More
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#634 of 634 1992 BMW 735i by danbouy
Due to needed repairs I had to park my car but the date to have repairs made have has been extended twice. The other day I went to start the car and of course realized I was unable to get the key to unlock the door, not to speak of accessing the battery to put a charge in it. What do I do now? Is there anyone out there who has ... Read More
BMW 7-Series Lease Questions
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Re: 2009 750 [malibugaga]
Hi malibugaga. It will be possible to lease a 2009 7-Series, but to the best of my knowledge BMW has not published a lease program for it yet. It's difficult to say what its lease program for the new 7 will be like when it rolls out, but my guess is not good. Even in the current challenging retail environment BMW will probably to hold of on the fire sale leases ... Read More
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2009 750
My lease on Range Rover is ending soon and I was considering leasing 7 series. I just learned that BMW is coming out with a new 2009 version of 7 series. I have not seen any questions about leasing 2009 7s....is it possible to lease one? If so what kind of deals are out there? Is this the reason why 2008s have special lease programs? (or do they?)
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Suggestions on 750Li Lease
I'm relatively new to all of this and thought that with lease offers--they "are what they are." Only after registering for this site did I realize that I was wrong in my thinking. Any suggestions with negotiating the 36 month lease for a 2008 BMW 750Li (current special about 909/month and $5359 due at signing. Thanks
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Re: 2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive [shawn757]
Hello shawn, Congratulations on your new bmw, hope you have many many happy miles with your new car, Btw what car did you drive before, which was replaced by the 7series? I am just curious, didn't you want to wait for a week or so to check out the new 7 series? or have you already seen it? When bmw gives you 3 years warranty, is everything covered on that?
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Re: 2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive [shawn757]
You're welcome shawn757. BMW Financial Services' November buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2008 BMW 750Li with 15,000 miles per year are .00155 and 50%, respectively. I don't believe that the owner loyalty offer came back. At the end of October, BMW paid its dealers a $10,000 dealer cash allowance on any 7-Series models that they reported as sold. Chances are that ... Read More
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Re: 2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive [eric312]
Hi eric312. I don't believe that BMW was allowing 39 month leases of any models in October. I have not seen BMW's new November lease program yet, but I suspect that I will either today or tomorrow. If you still need the new program info then, post a quick reminder for me in this discussion and I will let you know what I have been able to find out. Car_man Host ... Read More
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Re: 2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive [shawn757]
Hi shawn757. I am not sure how much BMW FS charges for additional miles purchased at lease signing. It probably has an excess mileage penalty of $0.25/mile at lease end, so your guess of $0.15 to $0.20 is probably right. A dealer should be able to tell you for certain. I doubt that dealers can mark up pre-paid miles. Most banks do not allow the purchase of additional miles on low ... Read More
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Re: 2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive [shawn757]
Do you know if BMW allows 39 months lease on 750i or only 36 months? What is the money factor and residual for 750i for November? Thank you.
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Re: 2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive [Car_man]
Hey Car man, I want to know one more thing before I buy, how much does BMW charge for additional miles upfront? Is it 0.15 cents a mile? If so is it possible for me to do a 10000 miles a year and buy whatever miles I want upfront? Doing the math it seems like there is a savings if I do that rather than paying 4% for the residual. Let ... Read More
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Re: 2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive [del735]
Hi del735. The $7,500 dealer cash that BMW is providing on the 2008 7-Series is not compatible with its special lease program. Let's work up a sample lease payment for you and see what we come up with. According to my calculations, if you were to lease a 2008 BMW 750Li that has an MSRP $89,270 and a capitalized cost of $79,270 through BMW Financial Services right now for 36 months ... Read More
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2008 Li Lease Question and $7500 Incentive
Car Man, I have a two part question for you. First part is the $7500 dealer allowance that BMW is offering. Is this only applicable if the car is being purchased and not leased or is it valid on leasing as well? Second question, based on the following figures can you tell me what you feel my total lease payment should be based on BMW's current MF and residual. The dealer ... Read More
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Re: Should I Lease 08 750lI [eric312]
Hi eric312. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2008 BMW 750Li with 15,000 miles per year are .00110 and 50%, respectively. I am not personally all that familiar with what the market is like for this car right now, but if I was interested in one in this sort of market I would shoot for a significant discount...as ... Read More
BMW 7-Series Prices Paid and Buying Experience
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Re: In the market for a USED 7 Series (2005 ot 2006) [speedy19]
Also look at this BMW is offering 0.9% on brand new BMW's including 7 series! So I could get a 2008. AND I know that BMW goes 5k below invoice on these cars, at least this is what ive heard! Can you please advise? It may be mor eeconomical to purchase a new one, 0.9% (AT 5K BELOW INVOICE) compared to purchasing a 2006 750i at 6% interest! Any thoughts?
Article Comments: 2007 BMW Hydrogen 7 First Drive
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Cameron Diaz Goes Hydrogen route
This has a lot more style than a Civic FCX. CAMERON DIAZ SET TO RIDE IN THE BMW HYDROGEN 7 TO THE 2008 OSCAR AWARDS CEREMONY 02/22/2008 Diaz Joins Ed Norton, Will Ferrell, Jay Leno and Others Among the First Americans to Hit the Roads In BMW's Hydrogen-Powered Vehicle Hollywood, CA - February 22, 2008... Demonstrating her continued dedication to the exploration of environmentally sustainable energies, Cameron Diaz will be traveling ... Read More
BMW 7-Series Lease Questions
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Should I Lease 08 750lI
Hi, I am looking to lease 2008 750LI with pretty much all the available options. The one I am looking at has MSRP $92800 and I am geting almost $15K off from the MSRP. With $5000 down and MF of .00225 my payment would be $1175 with taxes on 36 month and 12K miles per year lease. I am not current BMW owner so I can not get the lower MF. ... Read More
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Re: lease 750li in August need help [shawn757]
You're welcome, shawn757. BMW raised its cash incentive on the 2008 750Li from $5,000 to $7,500 in September, but it is not compatible with BMW Financial Services' special lease program. BMW FS' buy rate lease money factor for the '08 750Li is .00225 this month. BMW has been providing a money factor discount for returning BMW FS lessees, but I am not sure if that program is still available. Car_man Host ... Read More
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Re: lease 750li in August need help [shawn757]
Hi shawn757. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24 month lease of a 2008 BMW 750Li with 15,000 miles per year are .00225 and 57%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 36 month lease are .00225 and 50%. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
BMW 7-Series 2007+
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Used BMW 750i Luxury - Please Help
I'm thinking about buying a 2006 used 750i Luxury--not sure what the "Luxury" entails within the car. My concern is that it's at a BMW dealer but it's NOT certified. The dealership is closed right now so I can't contact them to find out why it's not certified. They have other cars there that are certified. I looked the car up on Carfax and it's had one owner in GA which ... Read More
BMW 7-Series Lease Questions
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lease 750li in August need help
Working on a 24 month lease of a 2008 750li with the following 12k per year premium sound comfort convenience 19 wheels sat radio hd luxury seating MSRP 88970 ACC 79780.19 residual 66% BMW loyalty payment1036.78 due at start 1956.42 Seeing that this is the last year of the model and we are into August here is this a good deal or should i continue to work them to see if ... Read More
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Re: 2008 BMW 750IL lease [unitedfc]
looks like a great deal! The only room you have to lower your payment is in the cap cost. The best i've seen is $78.7K. Otherwise, this is a smoking deal considering you're only putting $1.1K down.
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2008 BMW 750IL lease
Hey Guys, Pick up the my 2008 750il Saturday....Just need some last minute confirmation. Maybe Fripullo can advise. $90,000 MSRP selling for $79,975 36 month lease 15k miles $1,139 total payment including tax. $1,189.29 down payment and that includes first month and taxes. Residual is 54% and the money factor is .00135 (returning BMW FS...x5 owner. Is this a good/average/smoking deal?
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Re: 750i Need opinions ASAP. Thanks [enthusiastdre]
Hi enthusiastdre. According to the latest information that I have seen, BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor for the 2008 750i is .00215, reduced to .00115 (.00100 lower) for returning BMW FS lessees. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
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Price Paid 2008 750Li - So Cal
MSRP: $90,770.00 CAP COST: $80,200.00 (Included $5K BMW Trunk Money) 24 Months / 15K per year Zero Down Drive Off included 1st month payment, registration, tax and $825 Acquisition Fee (was marked up $200) MF .001 (Repeat BMW customer) Car was purchased last day of June and I think MF has increased for July Monthly Payment: ~$1145.00
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Re: Terms on 2008 750LI Lease [nayyer]
A dealer that won't give you a sale price isn't a dealer you should be working with. Best thing to do is not play the monthly payment game. Here are the June rates for most BMWs including the 7-series. Assuming you qualify for the lowest rates possible, you need to negotiate the lowest sale price possible, ask for the money factor and residual used in calculating your lease. Then plug that ... Read More
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Re: Terms on 2008 750LI Lease [californiami]
well i just got back from a BMW dealership. Here is the price of the car 90,575, they wont tell me the seeling price basically its like 11k off he said. 24 month lease for $1299 a month with 2,900 down let me know what u think. also deal from last night was 83k car 9k off with 20k trade allowance i have no trade thou. 24 month lease 1392 with ... Read More
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Re: Terms on 2008 750LI Lease [nayyer]
I got mine at Concord BMW in Concord, California. They are easy and motivated to move the 2008 7 Series cars currently on their lot (they won't offer this deal for cars they have to order or trade for). I tried to work with East Bay BMW in Pleasanton....but would say...stay away from them. Just curious...you say you are getting "ripped off"....what type of deal are you getting and where are ... Read More
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Re: Terms on 2008 750LI Lease [nayyer]
Sterling BMW in Newport. Stay away from Irvine and Crevier they are not good business people.
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Re: 2008 750i [jabes30]
sounds like BS to me especially since you are a return BMW FS customer. In any event, I would recommend putting down the maximum multiple security deposits (up to 9 used to be permitted) to buy down the money factor even further. I have done it on my last 3 BMW leases and it is a very good return on your money.
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2008 750i
This is the offer I received today on a 2008 750i: 4000 under Invoice Money factor .00225 Said the increase from .002 was to waive a security deposit. Told me this was necessary...even though I have leased or financed 3 cars through BMW financial Got done with the last one only a month ago. How much BS was I given??? 36 month residuals: .55 for 15k .57 for 12k I asked ... Read More
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Re: Lease Program [nlproductions]
Hey nlproductions. I need to double check to make sure that BMW has not bade any unscheduled changes, but its March lease program was supposed to run through April 30th. BMW Financial Services' buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 24 month lease of a 2008 750Li with 15,000 miles per year are .00200 and 65%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 36 month lease are .00200 ... Read More
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Re: 750 Li Lease Quote [bkennedy55]
Hi bkennedy55. Let's start with the money factor and acquisition fee. The dealer is marking both of these items up to add additional back-end profit to your deal. This is not surprising, BMW dealers are notorious for doing this. It can often be avoided by savvy consumers who know what the base numbers are. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor for a 36 month lease of a 2008 ... Read More
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Re: help with 08 750 li lease [neen]
Hi neen. The money factor that you were quoted is right in line with BMW Financial Services' buy rate for this car. That is a good thing. However, savvy consumers who are in areas that have a decent level of competition are usually able to negotiate better prices than the Edmunds.com TMV. BMW is currently providing $5,000 dealer cash on the 2008 7-Series. Plus there is a gap of over $6,000 ... Read More
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Re: 750il Money Factor [broham1]
Hi broham1. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor for the 2008 750iL is indeed .00200. New BMW FS lessees have to pay one security deposit, equivalent to their car's monthly payment rounded up to the nearest $50 increment, to get this factor. BMW FS has a multiple security deposit program that enables lessees to reduce their vehicle's money factor. Consumers receive a .00007 for every additional deposit they ... Read More
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Re: 2007 BMW Alpina B7 Lease Questions [dxhanrahan]
Hi Car man, have a question regarding leasing a 2007 750i, do you think the 3500 will just go away or would they replace it with a different program? I have a lease expiring in about 7 weeks, and as designed the $3500 makes it somewhat attractive to lease now and eat the last two payments, if I wait seven weeks will probably be limited to 2008 models without incentives. Thoughts? ... Read More
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Re: Question about MF and Dealer Incentive [ocautoseeker]
Does anybody know what the March dealer incentives and the money factor is for a 2008 750i with 12K miles per year. Also, are there any specials for returning seven series leases through BMW financial services.
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Question about MF and Dealer Incentive
Hello Car_man: Can you provide me with some information. I am a current 745i owner. My lease with BMW financial services is expiring next month. Can you tell me what the current Dealer Incentives and the Money Factor is for a 2008 750i with 12K miles per year. Also, when do the those figures expire. I read (not that I believe everything I read on the internet, but it can't hurt ... Read More
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Re: Lease help needed [gildrv]
Greetings gildrv. It is difficult to say what BMW will do with its future incentives on the 7-Series. If I had to make an educated guess, I would say that it is more likely that BMW would lower the money factor of the 2008 7-Series in coming months than raise the $5,000 cash incentive. Regardless of where the support comes from, it definitely would not be shocking to see BMW enhance ... Read More
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Re: Money Factor/Dealer Incentive [jim53]
Hi jim53. Here's the information that you're looking for. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2008 BMW 750i with 10,000 miles per year are .00200 and 58%, respectively. The numbers for an otherwise identical 24 month lease are .00200 and 68%. Car_man Host Prices Paid: Buying & Leasing Experiences Forum
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Lease help needed
Help!!"> I'm looking to lease a 2008 750i sedan in the next couple of months ,and was wondering if you get a sense that BMW FS is going to increase the current $5000 capitalized cost reduction incentive in anticipation of the new 2009 inventory with body style change?
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Re: Money Factor/Dealer Incentive [durden1]
Hello durden1. Here's the information that you're looking for. BMW Financial Services' current buy rate lease money factor and residual value for a 36 month lease of a 2008 750Li with 15,000 miles per year are .00260 and 55%, respectively for consumers who are either returning BMW FS lessees or non-returning customers who choose to pay a security deposit at lease signing. BMW is now providing a whopping $5,000 dealer cash ... Read More
High End Luxury Cars
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Re: Hpowders [tagman]
It's more the principle of the thing. Who wants to get a "luxury" vehicle with faux wood? However, upon driving it and checking the front seat comfort and 83 cc ft of space and the price, I may just forget about the phony wood. The 2008 version may have real wood, but I doubt it. The interest rate on the X5 4.8 right now is 5.04%, fairly high for a BMW ... Read More
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Re: Hpowders [anthonyp]
I know that it's hard to tell from a photo, Tony, but one of the 2008 550 interior shots unfortunately looks like more of the tired "same old, same old." In the brochure, BMW admits that it would be hard to tell the current 550i from the 2008 version. I guess BMW is satisfied to rest on their considerable performance laurels which had me hooked since 1993 despite their boring interiors. ... Read More
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Re: BMW sets 2006 profit record [houdini1]
Thanks. I did see the brochure. To my eyes, the 2008 interior looks pretty much like what they are offering now, which to me means drab and boring. 3 BMW's. Pretty much the same interior. The only difference is the wood strip gets wider as one proceeds up the price ladder! BMW is supposedly looking over their shoulder at Audi. Apparently, they are not too worried.
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Re: BMW sets 2006 profit record [hpowders]
Hp, there is a 2008 BMW 5 series brochure posted on the "Luxury Performance Sedan" forum that you will like. Nice. See post #9193.
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Re: oac [dhamilton]
I have yet to drive an Audi but I have sat in a couple and I am partial to their handsome, upscale interiors. I do wish BMW would learn from them. Saw an interior photo of the 2008 550 and unfortunately, it's more of the tired "same old, same old." I knew I was in trouble when the brochure had this to say: "At first glance, differentiating the 2007 5 Series ... Read More
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Re: January Sales [esf]
Where did you see that about no BMW diesels? I just searched "BMW diesels in the USA" and the first two things that came up were "BMW 5 series diesels by 2009" and BMW diesels by 2008." Didn't see anything about no BMW diesels in the USA. What BMW did do was reject an alliance with MB to use Bluetec diesel technology. Trust me on this one: Since MB has Bluetec ... Read More
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Re: And Let's Not Forget... [esf]
If I go the HELC route, it's the A8. No contest. If I stay with BMW, I bypass the 7, since I get better performance and just about the same "luxury" in the 545. I would be interested in the new twin turbo 535 and any BMW diesels that come to market in the USA within the next 18 months. I am not considering any other vehicles. My 545 lease ends ... Read More
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Re: And Let's Not Forget... [tagman]
I'm not really interested in the X6. Disappointed with the X5. Won't settle for the M_X. The only HELC listed above that lights my fire is the A8. As far as BMW goes, I'm eagerly anticipating the arrival of the 2008 535i with inline 6 boosted by twin turbos to 300hp available this summer. Should be a lot of fun! But not as much fun as the junior version! And of ... Read More
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Interesting article on the latest automatic
Just saw this article on Car and Driver: http://www.caranddriver.com/previews/12348/first-drive-2008-bmw-335i-convertible- .html Let me get this straight, this new ZF 6sp auto is about as quick as SMG, which as we know is quicker than traditional manual. hmm . . ., perhaps Lexus (and MB) got it right in not taking the SMG detour, given how quickly (pun intended) auto tranny technology is advancing nowadays.
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Good Job, Merc
On all the pics. The LF-A makes a killer screensaver! ;) Thanks for showin' some luv to the lighty Lexus division! :) http://www.autospies.com/news/Audi-Throws-Challenge-to-Lexus-11947/ This fool should lose his job. What a tool! Audi has mastered the Minor Leagues, can't "resonate" here, and epitomizes "BMW wannabe". Audi isn't good enough to challenge Lexus at anything, so the headline is poorly written. It should read: "Lexus is beating my bottom like a drum, ... Read More
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Re: Tagman [dhamilton]
Yes. The MDX is on my list to drive for next year. Always more enthusiastic about the second year version of a new model for quality and price. However, any BMW diesels coming out at that time will quickly divert my attention away from the MDX. Probably away from a low-ball offer on the 545i too. I expect 2008 to be a very exciting year for upscale vehicles. I don't want ... Read More
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Re: hpowders [tagman]
No problem, Tag. It was fun basking in the glory, however abbreviated. :) Merc1 has me thinking X5. Hope it gets dieselized by August, 2008. If it's not, I'll pass on driving one. Not looking for 15 mpg. Anybody who needs some extra room and wants the real deal in BMW handling and decent mpg should check out the 530ix wagon instead.
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Re: hpowers [hpowders]
Oh, my dream would be the 335dxi coupe... I know they'd never come out with an AWD diesel (that would be REALLY imitating Audi), but it's the ideal BMW, IMO. If not, I want a 335xi two-door. Is that coming out? I hope so. The new E92 is not only a beauty, but it has a fantastic new powertrain, a surprising amount of standard features and a more exclusive feel. Because ... Read More
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Re: hpowers [dhamilton]
To drive or not to drive? That is the friggen question....Well I defer to Shakespeare. But I do believe I have a viable system for driving the best vehicles, walking away and repeating the procedure. All with no money down and all maintenance included. Looking forward to the end of my 545i lease so I can move on to something better like the BMW 335i twin turbo coupe or perhaps a ... Read More
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Re: BMW Diesels [designman]
A 180 degree change in decision regarding BMW diesels in just two weeks? During Nov. 22nd BMW had no diesel plans for the USA and in Dec. 7th BMW has diesel plans for USA. Something must be going on behind the scenes at Munich? Very little is certain about the BMW diesels that will sell in our continent by 2008 But what is for certain is that BMW will not be ... Read More
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Re: BMW Diesels [designman]
An article in yesterdays newspaper said otherwise. It quoted BMW as saying the U.S. would have a BMW diesel by 2008. They declined to say which models.
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Re: Reliability and Fun; mutually exclusive?[tagman] [thegraduate] [tagman]
You just may be right, Tag. I am seriously thinking of going back to the 3-Series. The 545 just doesn't have the same thrill in the corners. Dewey seems to be very happy with his. I still have many months to think about it. I would do the 335i coupe, not the sedan. I love the look of the coupe....unless BMW comes out with some diesel models in 2008. One thing ... Read More
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Re: Small is Beautiful [dewey]
I have always been a compact car guy even though I'm 6'2". The 545 is a great vehicle but I can run rings around it with a 325i. (Not talking about acceleration). Compact cars are simply more agile than mid-sized vehicles. Can't dispute those laws of physics. I can see myself comfortably down-sizing next time around. No more 5 Series unless BMW comes out with a diesel in 2008 which achieves ... Read More
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Re: One Happy Family you all are with the HELM [designman]
Hi Oac! What's your story these days? Are you getting an LS460 or what? I think you said you would wait awhile. I see it's been slow over in Lexico. By the way, there's a Chinese restaurant near us that makes a dish called Happy Family. Hi Designman/Howard: The story is real simple. My 14-yo daughter hates my LS, but likes the 'Trix. She is the one next in line to ... Read More
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Lexus & Sport
Obviously more people in the U.S.A want luxury over sport, that is what makes Lexus soo successful. If handling, performance, steering feel, & a stiff ride were soo important to MOST luxury car buyers like some people make it seem on here, than BMW's would be the ONLY luxury car that would be alive and well in the US. But Lexus is the king honcho in the US because they build ... Read More
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Tag
"Targeting BMW" implies making cars designed to compete with BMWs in their realm, which I don't see happening. The only thing the IS shares with the 3 is a similar size. The GS and 5 couldn't be more different in countenance or comportment. The LS has a similar, but far superior, rear end, but is different in every other way. Lexus isn't making the LS a super sports sedan. The LS ... Read More
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Re: LG []
Lexus should offer both AWD and a manual on the IS350 for 2008. There is no excuse for not doing so. Infiniti and BMW are getting it done. I agree. You can't get both at the same time from Infiniti like you can from BMW, but at least you have the choice at all. Heck, even the TL-S, a lowly front driver, has a 6MT option.
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LG
BTW, the G35 is at 47,700 for the year. The CTS is just behind it. BMW 3-series, with it's gang of configurations and engines, usually sells 100k a year, as a group. Lexus should offer both AWD and a manual on the IS350 for 2008. There is no excuse for not doing so. Infiniti and BMW are getting it done. Lexus needs to get that done. I don't wanna hear about ... Read More
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Alright, let me come at it from a different way.
First, I am not well-versed in Auto-tranny cars, nor pure luxury cars, so maybe I am both a good and bad judge of this class. I don't expect much in the way of connection with these cars, dynamically. I feel you need a manual transmission for any depper relationship with a car other than pure transportation. The particular course I drove on was not flat, and was marked conservatively to make ... Read More
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According to information, provided by Lexus,
The LS and S550 had drag coefficients of .26. The BMW was .29. You seem to put quite a bit of value of the drag, as a sign of advanced aerodynamics/design. This is interesting, given the Lexus has had a drag coefficient as low as .25 since 1995, and Mercedes has been playing catch-up. Mind you, the Prius has a .25 co., and is also regarded as maybe the most advanced ... Read More
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Re: Pat [houdini1]
Yes. Hopefully, by August 2008 (who's counting?) when I bring the 545i back, BMW will have a diesel ready for me to rent. "This had to be one of the best posting exchanges ever." I agree with that . . . right up until the very last post I was on the edge of my chair.
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Re: This thing about the Audi image [dewey]
Ok Dewey you got off another good one. Lets just face it, no other luxury brand provides the spread of product that Mercedes and BMW does. Arguably Mercedes offers too much for their own good as they seem to have every imaginable niche plugged with something. BMW is right behind them, but they still lack a true CL, SL, GL competitors. Mercedes on the other hand will build a X3 competitor ... Read More
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Re: Strategic Vision Survey [dewey]
Somehow, I don't see a Lexus in your future, Dewey. I believe you would be more comfortable being known as Infiniti45Dewey if your doomsday scenario ever takes place. I would rather err on the side of caution and turn the BMWs over every several years. It won't be so easy on August 1, 2008. Tears will be shed for my wonderful 545. I really found out how good it can get ... Read More
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A possible error?
A sporty four-wheel-drive coupe and a svelte minivan called the Luxury Sport Cruiser are slated to roll off the production line in 2008. There also appears to be a possible error in that Businessweek article. A AWD coupe is currently available in the form of a BMW 328xi coupe. I think what Businessweek meant is a four door coupe from BMW that will compete with the MB CLS during 2008. Personally ... Read More
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Peugeot 908 RC, C230 etc.......
Thanks to everyone for the comments on the Peugeot 908 RC concept. Going by the comments posted, I think that you all seem to like the car somewhat just as I do. Interestingly, no one called it hideous or awful looking! I think the French could make it big here being different, but they would have to get with the program when it comes to reliability. Did I mention that Alfa-Romeo ... Read More
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A Taste of Lexus....2006
Well today was the day, I got to drive the LS460L, didn't even bother with the SWB LS460. I also drove the GS450h, IS350, SC430 and GS350. IS350 - Easily my favorite Lexus. Powerful, snug, pretty good looking, and fast as hell. I can see why there are complaints about rear seat room though. While fast it still isn't as buttoned down as the last 3-Series I drove. I like the ... Read More
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Lexus future plans\models
Some interesting information from Automotive news, particularly in regards to the SUVs: IS: "A convertible was expected to debut when the coupe arrived. But Lexus is worried that its planned convertible may not succeed in a world of hard-top convertibles. The model may be sent back to the drawing board, forcing a delay. Lexus executives downplay reports of a V-8, saying the big engine would kill the car's handling - not ... Read More
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Hemi
You seem awfully worried about our 1st place Lexus team, but fret not. The IS is clearly gaining traction in the marketplace, as it's sales vs comparable BMW models indicates (6000 to 4800). VDIM is defeatable for 2007, improving road feel and ability, and I would wager a manual will appear for 2008 in the 350, around the time the 500 will arrive. I am very confident that the New IS ... Read More
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Re: BMW Misguided Approach [lexusguy]
I'd rather have a Zonda F. Not quite as fast, perhaps, but the inside of the Saleen is just a track day car with a radio in it, nothing more. Certainly nothing to indicate how much money it costs. The inside of the Zonda, on the other hand, WOW! Well yes of course you'd know I'd have a Zonda too considering the connection with Mercees-Benz. I don't think the fact that ... Read More
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Re: S Class hybrid [dewey]
This whole hybrid thing isn't as "hot" as some would like you to believe. In just reading various boards it doesn't seem like all of them are meeting their sales goals, much less being "sold out". We all know the Prius is hot, but what about the rest? I just want to see what MB/BMW/GM are going to do with all this combined brain power. BMW should make the next generation ... Read More
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Re: Inspector Parrot [reality2]
...cointunied from previous post... "Globally, Lexus is selling less than half of Audi's volume, and less than those of BMW and Mercedes- Benz." Not everybody falls for the line that car buyers demand a race-bred heritage for their cars, or that the Germans are the only manufacturers capable of producing high quality vehicles with a sporty drive. The new little Lexus IS, which competes with the BMW 3 series, Audi A4 ... Read More
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Re: Sources: Porsche, Hyundai make big gains in quality study [garyh1]
Yeah I don't see why they couldn't have just come out with a "new" survey along with the traditional IQS. Mercedes and BMW are in deep chips under this new format. They'll have to really get with JDP (give $$$$) to get the details on this one. I don't look for Mercedes to improve in the VDS until like 2008-09. M
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Re: Oh My Gawd! [tagman]
When I check out the LS this Fall, it will be to see whether or not to add it to my list of potentials for August 2008. "We need you to be our resident "non-award winning" BMW fan!" Thanks.... I think?
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Re: highly successful formula [carnut100]
I too think there will be a S450, just not right now. I really don't think adding a 335hp S450 will actually help sales in the short term. The S450 is going to have to get more competitive under the hood or come in under or at best at the same price as the A8L and 750Li, it can't cost 77K like the old S430 for it to be competitive with ... Read More
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Re: Performance vs. Luxury [merc1]
I bet GM/DCX/BMW are working overtime to get a hybrid out while the craze is still on, but I doubt you'll see one from any of them before the 2008 model year Soon, the craze will explode. It's like the alignment of the planets thing . . . the gas prices go up and suddenly Washington pretends to be concerned. Prices ease up a tiny bit for political reasons and to ... Read More
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