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Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [buyerhelp]
Written by: plekto on Apr 27, 2013 12:22:57 PM
One thing I note is that a lot of the cars mentioned are smaller euro-sedans. And while this is fine, if you want a large car, you're looking at a Big Lexus, Acura, Cadillac, Mercedes, Volvo, Audi, or BMW. Others do make similar cars, but they tend to be overpriced or far more sport than luxury. A quick run - down: Acura. Pretty much the TL. It's basically a Japanese Buick ... Read More
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Re: BMW and me.... [tlong]
Written by: dino001 on Mar 25, 2013 7:12:22 AM
I second that. I'm not objecting to people buying/leasing cars often, I actually have done that, too. I'm definintely not a 10-year holder of a purchased 3-year old car, the longest stint I have done so far was 6 years, I also owned another car until it was 8 years old (I had it for a bit more than 4 years). It is wonderful that system made it possible and convenient ... Read More
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Cross Shopping experience
Written by: markcincinnati on Feb 20, 2013 8:14:04 AM
Here is a perspective -- I have no proof that this is any more than an anecdote. I suspect, however, the following perspective probably is a data point, therefore of some statistical significance. For years I was a brand shopper -- the brand I chose was Audi. Even during the "Audi years," I did, from time to time, shop BMW's. Even when I could see a difference in the cars, I ... Read More
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Re: Cross Shopping experience [xrunner2]
Written by: markcincinnati on Feb 28, 2013 12:47:38 PM
My 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD Advance (whew!) is my first non-Audi since my first, a 1978 5000. Immediately prior to the Acura I had a 2009 Audi A4 2.0T Prestige with the sport package option. I may have (I do have) some issues with the Acura -- but many/most of them are of a cosmetic nature -- but, now that Acura bought new wheels for me (3 of the 19" wheels ... Read More
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Re: BMW- owners [sweendogy]
Written by: busiris on Feb 16, 2013 7:54:53 PM
BMW alert another recall- recall they had a massive recall last year as well. If you are among the unlucky 569,000, BMW will notify you next month and tells AP that it will “replace the battery cable connector and secure it for free.” Very nice. owners of “3-Series sedans, wagons, convertibles and coupes from the 2007 through 2011 model years, 1-Series coupes and convertibles from 2008 through 2012, or the Z4 ... Read More
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BMW- owners
Written by: sweendogy on Feb 16, 2013 3:43:56 PM
BMW alert another recall- recall they had a massive recall last year as well. If you are among the unlucky 569,000, BMW will notify you next month and tells AP that it will “replace the battery cable connector and secure it for free.” Very nice. owners of “3-Series sedans, wagons, convertibles and coupes from the 2007 through 2011 model years, 1-Series coupes and convertibles from 2008 through 2012, or the Z4 ... Read More
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My pet peeve ...
Written by: dino001 on Feb 5, 2013 11:50:13 AM
... is fold-down rear seat. I think for BMW or Benz to demand $500 for it on sedans is a true scandal and I'm shocked they are getting away with it. What's worse, many dealers actually do not order this option, so I can bet there are many trully surprised owners of 3-series, who discover their seats don't fold down first time they try to put something bigger into their trunk. ... Read More
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Re: 320i [dino001]
Written by: markcincinnati on Jan 29, 2013 2:24:45 PM
Priced MUCH HIGHER? I would think if, to use made up but approximate numbers, that an Audi A4 or BMW 3 (something) can be "nicely contented," which I suspect means, these days, Premium Package, Premium Paint (and Infiniti doesn't, currently, charge for any color they offer), Nav Package, and Sport Package or Technology Package (but not both) for something between $45K and $49K -- depending on the "either or" packages and ... Read More
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Re: 320i [stickguy]
Written by: kyfdx on Jan 19, 2013 7:20:38 AM
If I buy a coupe, I can go as late as 2012 on a BMW, and still get the straight six.... So.... buy one of those in 2016 and drive it for six years... that gets me to 64 yrs old... So, I'm not worried about the 4-cyl turbos.....
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Re: Reliability and Durability etc. [flightnurse]
Written by: plekto on Oct 9, 2012 12:54:40 PM
Don't forget, though, that this also is a huge plus for Cadillac. Repairs are inexpensive (parts are actually less now than Toyota or Honda!) and they happen fairly infrequently compared to the European makes. Add in pretty decent incentives (incentives from Acura or Lexus??), and it's compelling. $32K for a CTS (actual price via Truecar on a 2012, which isn't as low as you can negotiate yourself, even) versus $40-45K or ... Read More
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Re: Reliability and Durability etc. [markcincinnati]
Written by: habitat1 on Oct 9, 2012 11:43:20 AM
I must inject here that we have had 29 Audis, 3 BMW's and 3 VW's since the late 1970's and only two "Japanese" representatives -- a 2012 Acura TL Advance SH-AWD and a 2011 Infiniti FX35 AWD. I certainly appreciate and respect your experience, but just how many of these cars have made it past 50-60k miles for you to make your durability judgements?? It appears that you have owned a ... Read More
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Reliability and Durability etc.
Written by: markcincinnati on Oct 9, 2012 11:14:42 AM
My wife and I have had so many German cars, I do feel I can offer up a data point or two, rather than "just" an anecdote. Audis and BMW's (through 2009, at least) are breathtakingly expensive to have beyond their factory warranties. I say this even though I now would "risk" keeping one of these Germans beyond 50,000 miles. I would, however, start to get downright nervous (and twitchy) once ... Read More
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Re: Audi pics [tdbmd]
Written by: graphicguy on Oct 9, 2012 5:51:31 AM
tdbmd.....for years, we (GF and I) resisted Audis. Seems we could never get together with any of the local dealers (all 2 of them). It always seemed they either wouldn't deal on a car we liked. Or, they didn't have anything we liked and really weren't all that interested in finding something we'd want. Over the last 5-7 years, we had looked at an A4, and an A6. But, neither hit ... Read More
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ELLPS incentives
Written by: nyccarguy on Sep 21, 2012 11:03:35 AM
To say that one manufacturer is better than another because of the current lease terms or current incentives is not right. Every manufacturer in this segment has some kind of different incentive every month to move metal. We all know how they do it. BMW subsidizes their leases with high residual values. According to BMWFS, after 30 months my 2011 328xi will be worth $26,406 with 50K on the odometer. My ... Read More
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Re: It finally happened [flightnurse]
Written by: sweendogy on Sep 22, 2012 5:07:28 AM
Flight - I know about BMW select its a creative way for someone to drive a BMW - net net they don't own it- 60% are leased. http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-07-23/cadillac-driving-to-disrupt-bmw-merc- - edes-u-dot-s-dot-luxury-grip The Infiniti deal you are quoting is a little misleading , the 36k msrp g25- not 37 and the payment on the 25 is 289 with 2500 down-For 24mths not 18 that's the Infiniti offer.
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#2 Re: BMW Transmissions - Best Choice?? [habitat1]
Written by: rayainsw on Sep 18, 2012 7:07:34 AM
The ‘Best Choice’ for me [ YMMV ] is #2 - the 7-speed DCT in the BMW 335iS I currently drive. I have driven several BMW 6-speed Steptronics and one new 8-speed Step [ in a 2012 535i ] and except in very slow & stop traffic [ 0 – 20 mph ] this transmission is a paragon of quick & precise gearchanges [ up & down ] with very well ... Read More
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Re: You know what? [cdnpinhead]
Written by: flightnurse on Sep 17, 2012 10:53:54 PM
Forums have a way of changing over time, and with the crop of new cars coming into the ELLPS maybe the that are talked about here should be expanded. This board has a wide range of likes and dislikes and a very wide idea on what a ELLPS is, what I don't like are the personal attacks and how people continue to beat a dead horse and can't move forward. But ... Read More
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Re: Saw the newest ELLPS... [nyccarguy]
Written by: habitat1 on Sep 13, 2012 4:12:08 AM
NYC, Haven't checked KBB or other sources, but $19k for a 2010 TSX with 49,000 miles doesn't seem terrible, given that Acura is discounting the heck out of their new cars now. I just got another e-mail from Pohanka Acura indicating they would give me $9,300 of a brand new 2012 TL SH-AWD (manual or auto), which works out to around $36k. I have to believe that Acura's aggressive pricing on ... Read More
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Re: Another happy customer [fedlawman]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 31, 2012 3:13:20 AM
Yup, that's usually how it is... But....I don't think you need to (or should) go as far as to "settle" for your third (or worse) choice of color and options if you plan ahead and are willing to do the other three things. Acura makes it easy. Limited "trim" choices and color choices with almost no options to begin with. Find a dealer with a big inventory that has great deals. ... Read More
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Re: Another happy customer [nyccarguy]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 30, 2012 1:57:56 PM
That's a good deal - but it also reminds me that I need to collect my "finder's fee" from my friend that I referred to BMW of Towson. They had a brand new (not demo) 535i 6-speed manual, sport package, etc. etc. with a sticker of $60,000+. They had it listed on their website as a "special" for several months at $50,900. I told him to hand them a check for ... Read More
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Re: I don't know.... [billyperksii]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 21, 2012 11:46:01 AM
If you prefer the looks of the 4G TL than good for you - because you are getting a heck of a good car beneath the skin. My "snatched defeat out of the jaws of victory" comment was really aimed at Acura shareholders, since sales of the 2009 TL, upon the redesign, dropped by well over 50% from what the 2004 model sold. And that was in a large part to ... Read More
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Re: BMW Engine Start\Stop [flightnurse]
Written by: m6user on Aug 18, 2012 11:12:45 AM
Here is one article on the BMW 3 reprogramming for the start/stop from about 5 days ago. It was also on several other car related sites. http://www.autoblog.com/2012/08/13/bmw-allowing-dealers-to-re-program-start-stop- /
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Re: BMW Engine Start\Stop [graphicguy]
Written by: flightnurse on Aug 18, 2012 10:50:55 AM
I read someplace that the Auto Stop/Start can be turn off completely by having the BMW dealer updating the the software. Basically the update allows the computer to "remember" the last function of this feature. So if you turned it off when you got into the car and turned the car off, then the computer remember this and the system is turned off when the car is restarted. On a side ... Read More
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Auto Start/Stop [ BMWs ]
Written by: rayainsw on Aug 14, 2012 5:46:46 PM
Defeat-able [ permanently ] http://www.bimmerfile.com/2012/08/10/auto-startstop-on-f-code-bmws-can-be-change- d-by-dealers/
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Re: ELLPS [sweendogy]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 9, 2012 7:08:32 PM
And that was interesting homework, but I don't quite get it. The "take rate" for the TL is 5%, but the odds of one being sold is 6305 to 1?? 5% is a lot closer to the actual sales ratios I've heard. Interestingly, we came very close to getting a 2012 Cayenne 6-speed manual instead of a BMW X5d. Beautiful black on back one at Auto Palace in Pittsburgh. If it ... Read More
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Re: ELLPS [sweendogy]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 9, 2012 6:32:16 PM
Acura TL 6305 to one Where in the world did this stat come from? Had they discontinued the 6MT in 2010? (I wasn't in market and don't know). In any event, there are 3 TL manuals sitting on Pohanka Acura's lot right now, and they have sold at least 10-12 so far this year. That kind of blows the 1 in 6305 out of the water for 2012. I've been told ... Read More
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Re: Price creep [nyccarguy]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 10, 2012 11:55:28 AM
I guess I expect all BMWs to drive kinda like my 328xi does. Forget it, at least until BMW goes on a serious weight loss program. I know vehicle weight isn't the only factor, but how can you have a "nimble feel" when a car like the 650ic weighs over 4,500 lbs. Here are some weights from ultra fit to morbidly obese. Any surprise that the order represents how nimble the ... Read More
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Cnet review of new 3
Written by: sweendogy on Aug 6, 2012 6:52:35 PM
http://reviews.cnet.com/sedan/2012-bmw-335i/4505-10865_7-35404275.html Not so ultimate driving machine
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Re: Price creep [nyccarguy]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 5, 2012 8:40:22 PM
Thanks, but no condolences needed. I had a good 5 1/2 years and 30k miles with the 911 and my daughters couldn't fit in the back seat anymore. But if the bank account recovers in time from our upcoming X5 Diesel purchase, I could possibly see a new Cayman in my garage sometime next spring. Regarding the TL vs. BMW, my own 2004 TL 6-speed has Brembo brakes standard. I believe ... Read More
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Re: Price creep [nyccarguy]
Written by: habitat1 on Aug 5, 2012 5:36:49 PM
I've been out of the car market (and off these forums) for a couple of years, but our recent decision to replace my wife's SUV brought me back. When we went to look at the MDX, the Acura dealer, seeing us arrive in my 2004 TL 6-speed, asked me if I wanted to test drive a new 2012 TL AWD 6-speed manual. I know all about BMW vs. Acura relative to ... Read More
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Data point..
Written by: kyfdx on Aug 4, 2012 7:02:05 AM
Our '03 BMW 325i sedan... with every option but NAV, more or less...stickered for $38,500.. I think a comparable 2012 model would be under $46K (of course, you get a turbo-4, instead of a 6-cylinder)..
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Re: Price creep [m6user]
Written by: dino001 on Aug 3, 2012 7:39:57 PM
The results are unverified, but assuming your research is right, it indeed is quite a spread, which flies into face of commodity inflation thesis. Obviously speaks into strategies of those companies pursue. There can be some one-time factors in play, or some shifting in target markets. As I remember, MB used to be most expensive, Audi least - it may be different now. BMW may also pursue somewhat different strategy in ... Read More
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Re: Acura TL vs Acura TL [ivan_99]
Written by: m6user on Aug 2, 2012 3:23:49 PM
Yes, I would say so. $9k is about a 33% increase in price. A 2002 Toyota Camry LE was $19500. A 2012 Camry LE is $23400. About a 20% increase. The 2003 Audi A4 Quattro was $27500 and the 2013 version is $33400, or about a 21% increase. If one could consider the Camry as a "commodity" and use that as a baseline, it would seem BMW ELLPS has creeped substantially ... Read More
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Re: Acura TL vs Acura TL [fedlawman]
Written by: markcincinnati on Aug 2, 2012 1:31:33 PM
Point well taken, but I will then ask, at what price point, these days are there NOT "a group of relatively ubiquitous cars" from which one may choose? $50,000? $60,000 even $70,000? It seems to me that even at the higher price points there are several offerings that, for many, only differ in styling -- and sometimes even then the styling isn't all that much of a differentiator. Here's the thing ... Read More
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Re: The next IS [stickguy]
Written by: flightnurse on Jun 6, 2012 7:54:48 AM
Stick you are right about the 0.9% is for the 2012, but the leases of $399 and $499 are for the 2013. Not bad for $2400 down, unlike BMW where they want $3500 to 4K down for those prices.
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Re: The next IS [flightnurse]
Written by: stickguy on Jun 6, 2012 7:37:51 AM
Those deals are for the outgoing 2012 model. The new 2013 doesn't have the subsidized leases, etc. as to the ILX, FWIW, by son (just turning 21, and just finished his Junior year at college) texted me last night that "he just saw a commercial for the ilx and it looked pretty snazzy". so just maybe there is hope to pull in a younger generation, and his dream is to get ... Read More
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Re: The next IS [flightnurse]
Written by: m6user on Jun 6, 2012 7:02:44 AM
This is something posted on cars.com today regarding the Acura RDX. I know it's still a little off topic but wanted to provide the info requested. "The compact crossover just went on sale amid a major marketing campaign. May 2012 sales were nearly triple what they were in May 2011 at 3,301 units. That's more than the BMW X3 (2,460), Audi Q5 (2,332), Mercedes-Benz GLK-Class (2,133), Volvo XC60 (1,751) and Land ... Read More
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2012 328i sedan in sterling va purchased 45000
Written by: crazyjutt on May 30, 2012 7:47:06 PM
Hello, I purchased 2012 sports line automatic fully loaded with technology, premium, cold weather, premium sound, parking packages, xenon lights, anti theft, bmw assist for 45000. it had 1000 miles on it. i feel like i got a good deal or i am not too far off from good deal.
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Even MORE expensive in 2013?
Written by: rmpierce1 on May 30, 2012 1:09:48 PM
Also, when you add some packages and options the price difference becomes smaller. I compared a 2012 328i sport line to a 2013 328i sport line. With the same options in both cars, price difference was a more reasonable $550. Great. They've taken a car that is already too expensive, and before anybody can even get one, have made it even MORE expensive. I know this is still the best sports ... Read More
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Re: Xenons.. [shabadoo25]
Written by: tturbo on May 26, 2012 3:29:11 PM
According to the new 2013 price list, and options list, xenon headlights can be had as a stand alone separate option for $900. No other item or package is required. That's a great decision on BMW's part. Also, all base 3 series for 21013 will receive standard items that were part of packages and stand alone options. These are some. Remember, 335i's had items there are standard on the 335i but ... Read More
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Re: BMW 328i 2012 recently leased [raycee]
Written by: jk7 on May 21, 2012 7:50:23 PM
I'm looking for one in so cal. Can you share the dealership info. Thx
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Re: xenon lights [brucenyc]
Written by: 1socalgal on May 8, 2012 8:52:18 PM
That was good advice re xenon lights. They're very cool looking, but in the end we didn't get them on our new 2012. Nor did we order the Premium Pkg: it contained a lot of stuff we decided we didn't need. We did order the power front seats just because they make seat adjustment a lot easier. The car we want is not available at any dealer on the West Coast: ... Read More
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Re: 2012 328i Quote [brucenyc]
Written by: koolkiller on Apr 18, 2012 2:54:02 PM
I checked on BMW website and MSRP is correct.
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Re: My 2012 328i [kwj99karl1]
Written by: aggietexan on May 6, 2012 5:19:16 AM
We used Momentum BMW West. I was very pleased with them, and I loved my CA. During the search process I stopped by Momentum on SW Freeway just to check the color of a car on their lot. The people there were very high pressure and trying to get me to switch dealerships...it really turned me off.
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2012 328i Quote
Written by: koolkiller on Apr 18, 2012 1:47:48 PM
Below is what I was offered from a local dealer. Is this a good deal? BMW 2012 328i Base model Mineral Grey Metallic Color Dakota Leather Black Premium Package Heated Front Seats MSRP: $40,445 Dealer's Pricing including all incentives: $37,665
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BMW 2012
Written by: gciman on Apr 16, 2012 5:54:04 PM
Hello want to know if this it's a good deal Msrp 42,445 selling price 40,445 36 moths , 12 miles per year, payments $580 per month 0 due taxes an fees in include in payments Residual 64, money factor 1.9 it's this a good deal closing deal tomorrow please advice thanks
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Lease 328i 2012
Written by: gciman on Apr 11, 2012 8:04:10 PM
Hello car man and others info Want to know if this is a good deal, BMW 328i 2012 Msrp 45,380 final price 42,910 2,470 off Msrp 36 months 12 miles per year, return lease customer, 529 month 3,597 due at signing which covers taxes 1,754, 1st month payment 529, inception fees 725, documents fee 289, DMV 300. My current lease it's due in June it's this a good deal or not. ... Read More
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My 2012 328i
Written by: aggietexan on Apr 29, 2012 11:35:25 AM
Yesterday my CA helped me find a 328i locally that met most of my wishlist. I had decided I really didn't want to go through the wait to order if I could help it, and after many hours scouring the internet and lots of e-mails back and forth we found "my car!" I wanted a dark exterior and (preferably) a light interior, so that really limited my choices. I ruled out ... Read More
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Re: 2012 328i -any experiences yet? [riva1974]
Written by: utexas06 on Apr 6, 2012 6:41:26 PM
Haven't inquired about pricing yet but that seems pretty good for a new model. I thought dealers usually mark $500-$1000 off the MSRP on new model year BMWs.
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Re: 2012 3 series 4 cylinder Modern Line [gnosis8]
Written by: 1socalgal on Apr 28, 2012 5:17:40 PM
I wish it were that simple (328 vs. 335). The 2012 328s I've seen advertised at dealer after dealer are all 6 cylinder. It's as though the 4 cylinders don't exist. For the most part they don't! One dealer I talked to said they're expecting a load of 4 cylinder BMWs early in May, otherwise all they have are 1 or 2 demos. But the other part of my inquiry really ... Read More
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German vs. Japanese Ergonomics
Written by: abacomike on Apr 20, 2012 2:45:43 AM
I've owned/leased many German and Japanese sedans, i.e. Lexus, Infiniti, BMW, Audi and Mercedes, and have found Japanese ergonomics (interior design) to be more "techy", roomier and busier than German automobiles. On the other hand, I have found that German vehicles (ergonomics) less "flamboyant", more "earthy", more functional and easier to master! This opinion is based upon yearly new car purchases. Even when comparing German to German vehicles, BMW is a ... Read More
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Oh no he di'int !!
Written by: flightnurse on Apr 16, 2012 8:27:07 AM
So last Tuesdays I received a phone call from my boss at 1130 am. The conversation went like this. Boss: Hey how are things going at X hospital. FN: Great, training is going well, we have 3 of 12 modules built, and we are ahead of schedule. Boss: Good news, how does Miami sound? FN: Humid (pause), why (I was afraid to ask, as I knew the answer) Boss; your favorite ... Read More
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CR and a couple of WORDS
Written by: markcincinnati on Apr 13, 2012 11:33:55 AM
I'm not exactly sure if CR is a publication that I would use as the basis for my automotive purchases. We've been down the "CR argument" path so many times before here on Edmunds, I would assume we don't need to go down it again. I must admit however, that I am not a subscriber but I have taken to reading CR's automotive tests and comments of late because of reading ... Read More
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Re: Any other cars to talk about? [kdshapiro]
Written by: sweendogy on Apr 3, 2012 3:18:59 PM
Agree the refinement is something for sure. I'm sure the new BMW 3 for 2012 should help the dated interior and nav setup, as others have pointed out. Audi continues to excel at interiors and is the standard for the class for such. The 25% or more msrp difference is Hard to ignore for the 335 vs g37- (please dont argue with me - ive priced them option for option) and ... Read More
