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Re: Considering Audi A8 2004 [dssxxxx]
Written by: ayyate on Jan 9, 2010 2:33:55 PM
I will generally agree, with an additional comment that I have made on this forum before: Do not ever drive a luxury car of any make without a warranty, whether factory or an extended warranty that you purchase. The cost of repair to these new systems can be real budget busters. An Audi transmission can easily be $5 - $7K. And don't assume that a local garage or even AAMCO can ... Read More
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Re: Considering Audi A8 2004 [ptf1]
Written by: dssxxxx on Jan 6, 2010 4:59:19 AM
I listen to the whine........all I can say is "buy new" and treat the car with respect and you will love it. Buy a lemon, squeeze it for a little, then throw it out.
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Re: Considering Audi A8 2004 [abarmard]
Written by: ptf1 on Jan 5, 2010 5:16:13 PM
I purchased a 2004 A8L with 26K miles in September of 2006 for $40,000 which was a great deal at the time. The car was pristine when I bought it. I have regretted the purchase ever since. The car has been nothing but trouble, and not just electrical, I've had a lot of mechanical problems too. At first it was under warranty, but once the warranty expired ( I didn't buy ... Read More
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Re: Considering Audi A8 2004 [abarmard]
Written by: djt21 on Jan 3, 2010 4:52:00 PM
I purchased a 2006 audi certified pre-owned A8L about four months ago with 47,000 miles on it. prior to the a8 I owned several s430's and s500's. I do feel the audi is a superior car to the prevoius generation mb s class, fit and finish is fantiastic and material quality is first rate. Before I purchased I visited consumer reports and jd power, they both gave the a8 a decent ... Read More
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Considering Audi A8 2004
Written by: abarmard on Jan 3, 2010 2:03:50 PM
Good evening Folks and happy new year to you all. I am a new comer. I am very close/about to buy an Audi A8L 2004 with 65K miles on it, very clean and nice! I Never owned an Audi before. Currently drive a BMW 530i 2001 and BMW 330ci 2001 Convertible. In order to buy this Audi I have to sell my BMW 530i. In one hand I have very hard ... Read More
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Re: A8 will not start [rrud]
Written by: harbo on Aug 17, 2009 8:01:06 PM
rrud, yes Audi of N Scottsdale AZ, did solve the problem. It took a couple attempts and parts in from Germany. Suggest contacting Walter Smith (technician supervisor) for the cure at 480-538-4000 and tell him it was the Sorenson 2004 A8L. If not directly you can reach him for a return call through Tyler or Jason (service writers). All the folks at this service department are simple outstanding. Good luck.
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There's a reason the Phaeton isn't around anymore...
Written by: theanimal on Aug 20, 2008 6:35:19 AM
It is built off of the A8, but since it is an all steel bodied car it is much heaver than the A8L. The Phaeton is a sort of lumbering car compared to the sportiness of the Audi. I have only had my 05 A8L for a little over two weeks now and I am really impressed with how it drives like a much smaller car. Only pulling into parking spaces ... Read More
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Re: 2004 A8L Ignition [michmport]
Written by: ayyate on Mar 9, 2008 3:52:06 PM
I have had the same situation with the ignition key on my last two A8's (1999 & 2005). If my engine does not start on the first attempt, I have to remove the key and reinsert. This has been the case since they were new. I have been told, and since it has been the same on two cars now, I believe that this is designed into the car. Perhaps a ... Read More
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Re: Oac—the operative term—true driver [blckislandguy]
Written by: ljflx on Jul 24, 2005 6:22:00 PM
Or drop MSRP's which is starting to look inevitable. Auditors will only let you BS them on future retention values for so long. Sooner or later they will make you take the cost provision up front on sale rather than at lease end. Then you get a double whammy - the car sold years earlier and the car being sold now (sorry I'm a CFO and ex-auditor by trade). They've actually ... Read More
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Re: ljflx [ljflx]
Written by: merc1 on Mar 18, 2005 8:02:31 AM
Yes there was a 6-cylinder 735i at one time from 1988-1992, just before the last S320 came out. The previous S320 made up 40 percent of S-Class sales during certain years from 1992-1999. The Audi S8 is/was performance model and doesn't "die" like you say it does. Its the same has MB not having an E55 from 1996-1998, or BMW and M5 from 1997-1999, those models always come a few years ... Read More
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iancar
Written by: merc1 on Mar 5, 2005 8:59:49 PM
think there is a reason for why Japanese cars look bland to you. The reason is many new cars are Japanese brands. For example, everytime i stop at traffic lights i will see either corollas or civics. For some occassion, i even saw 3 or 4 civics at once. Therefore, even the car with greatest style in the world will look bland after millions driving in one. Nah a good looking ... Read More
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Audi Feb 2005 sales
Written by: oac on Mar 2, 2005 8:37:40 PM
And finally.... Model Feb Feb %change 2005 2004 A4 2,760 2,273 21.4 A6 1,264 789 60.2 A8/S8 338 424 -20.3 source: CL
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Re: brightness04 [kyfdx]
Written by: brightness04 on Feb 19, 2005 2:50:13 AM
What does soft drink have to do with discussion here? Just a way to snipe at another poster, if you ask me. I have more than a passing knowledge of industrial metals. In case you did not know anything beyond your soft drink can (hey, your own choice of reference, it's only fair, right? ;-) I supplied a link in one of my earlier posts: http://ussautomotive.com/auto/steelvsal/mechproperties.htm It's quite an informative site. ... Read More
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Re: [reality2]
Written by: brightness04 on Feb 17, 2005 11:15:54 AM
Where have I ever claimed that there are more LSs in Europe than A8s? You need get a reality check yourself. As far as I know, Lexus is only beginning to set up a dealer network in Europe. Audi's worldwide presence is not a luxury marquee at all. Nearly 3 out of 4 Audis sold worldwide in 2004 were A3's and A4's. These are not luxury cars. You can't have it ... Read More
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Re: [brightness04]
Written by: reality2 on Feb 17, 2005 11:04:57 AM
Check the stats for European sales before you say that the LS is more prevalent than the A8L. Also, the A8L beat the Lexus in a comparo from Motor Trend last year. It all depends on the magazine. The A8L has garnished more world-wide accolades than any car in its class. A3s aren't sold in the US first of all. Audi moved 12100 A8s in Western Europe, BMW moved 12150 7-Series, ... Read More
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Re: That World Thing Again [oac]
Written by: brightness04 on Feb 17, 2005 10:42:34 AM
Oac, the real picture behind MB and Audi's brand illusion worldwide is even worse than what you pointed out: In November 2004, 32,200 MB cars were sold in Germany, with over half of them, 16,600 units being A-class! In other words, the overwhelming majority of MB's sold (remember C class and taxicab stripper E's account for the overwhelming majority of the remaining less-than-half) are not luxury cars at all. http://www.daimlerchrysler.com/dccom/0,,0-5-7145-1-432134-1-0-0-0- - ... Read More
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Re: [denaliinpa]
Written by: syswei on Feb 13, 2005 7:22:44 PM
"Lexus is in my mind more equal to Infiniti and Acura while MB, BMW, and Audi sit on a higher level....S classes dominance in the luxury segment" Ummm...maybe you should check out this site: http://www.jdpower.com/cc/auto/jdpa_ratings/FindJdAwards.jsp Call up the 2004 A8, 7, S, and LS. You'll find that, even ignoring the quality-related issues and focusing instead on performance, comfort, features, style, and overall appeal, actual owners of A8s and Ss ... Read More
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Segment Sales...2004
Written by: merc1 on Jan 28, 2005 1:24:51 AM
Lexus LS430 - 32,272 Mercedes S-Class - 20,460 BMW 7-Series - 16,155 Jaguar XJ - 10,552 Audi A8 - 5,942 VW Phaeton - 1,939 Maserati Quattroporte - 425 [Sources: Germancarfans.com, autosite.com, Autoweek.com] Very intesting. The LS ran away with the segment, yet the oldest car is still in 2nd place. Big improvement for the A8, but Phaeton is just not considered. The Maserati is too exotic to ever be ... Read More
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Re: Audi A8 [ljflx]
Written by: wvkiv on Jan 13, 2005 9:50:52 PM
Wow ljflx you really need to do your research and make sure you know your facts before you speak. The A8 sales are not down at all...2004 finished with 5,943 units delivered in the US nearly 3 times as many as the previous A8 did in its best year of 1999. The handling of the car is absolutely amazing for a vehicle of its size. No nav system orders a person ... Read More
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sv7887
Written by: ljflx on Apr 4, 2004 12:41:52 PM
S-class - It's my opinion that the rear of the S-class and the overall silhouette of the car took a lot of cues from the Ford Taurus. Merc1 disagrees entirely but put them side by side and decide for yourself. Particularly look at the lines on the side, its side profile, rear deck lid and rear lights. They didn't copy it - just lifted some styling cues and in my opinion ... Read More
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davieboy1
Written by: ksurg on Feb 29, 2004 7:16:21 PM
I drove the A8L and 745i. Both are great cars. Right now the A8 is only available in long wheel base form. Though the prices on the A8 are better, residuals are worse. All in all you will get a better lease deal on the 745i. You can get the present lease specials on BMW of NA. The deal quoted above is probably real but a little optimistic. Markets also vary ... Read More
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The 2004 NAIAS Report (the luxury version)
Written by: merc1 on Jan 21, 2004 10:50:19 PM
I'll shorten this from the News and View version which covers "everything". I spent two days total at the show, it's so much more than Chicago's autoshow. Acura has proven to me that they don't hold water to the Euro luxury brands past the TL class. The RL and NSX sat unloved with all the attention at the Acura display going to the TL and TSX. I heard one person say, ... Read More
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merc1 - Your # 3876 Post
Written by: jamesfletcher2 on Jan 7, 2004 7:43:18 PM
merc1, Interesting observations from the Detroit Auto Show press/industry previews. I actually attended the Washington DC Auto Show this last weekend and am planning on going to the Detroit Show the weekend of the 18th. I will also be going to the NYC show in April since it is just a quick train ride from my NYC/NJ apartment. At first, I was puzzled by the new MY06 GS but the more ... Read More
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audi's new schnoz
Written by: ljflx on Jan 7, 2004 6:32:40 PM
Don't like it at all. Seems to cheapen the look of the car. The 2004 A8 front and grille is spectacular. But the next gen seems to blow it. With that said though the overall look of the next A6 looks pretty good. merc1 - C&D said the V12 big Audi would be $138k in Europe. Seems far too high. What's does an S600 go for in Europe?
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A few observations and questions for the board....
Written by: merc1 on Jan 7, 2004 12:13:09 AM
Just curious to know what the group here thinks about some of the new luxury debuts at Detroit. It appears that Audi is going to step to the major leagues with the new A8L 6.0 W12 by the end of the year, it will priced around 115K. Yikes! Double yikes because the Phaeton W12 (10hp less btw) is priced at 88K. On paper it makes the Audi version look like a ... Read More
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Audi A8 interior_vs_LS430 interior
Written by: oac3 on Dec 2, 2003 10:14:39 PM
Once more, here are the two interiors: Audi A8 LS430 Me like the Lexus. Cos I am biased since I own one. The Audi is nice, but not earth shattering. Stunning ? Puleazeee... The Lexus is truly luxurious and rich looking, while the Audi looks plain in comparison. The flip-up Nav screen looks much like a Lexus 1st -gen Nav. Nothing distinctive like the 4th-gen version on the 2004 LS. If ... Read More
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New A8's coming???
Written by: oriente on Nov 28, 2003 9:11:33 PM
The item below comes from Autoweek, yet I could not verify the news at the USA Audi site. Can anyone confirm? (2239 Nov. 27, 2003) Audi says shorter-wheelbase A8, performance variants likely on way to U.S. The 2004 Audi A8 L will probably have some company soon. (Photo © 2003 Ingo Barenschee) Don’t look for Audi to stand pat with its 2004 A8 L in the North American market. Though ... Read More
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Audi A8L
Written by: ksurg on Oct 20, 2003 9:30:48 AM
I'm not sure that everyone is on the same page here. The 2004 A8 is a completely redesigned vehicle. I have yet to read any negative reviews. In European Car comment was made about undulations on choppy roads due to a long wheelbase but that same article rated it's ride superior to it's 745i and S500 cousins. As for price it is cheaper...look at comparisons here on Edmunds and keep in ... Read More
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Change of subject, consider the 2004 Audi A8
Written by: ksurg on Oct 19, 2003 5:05:58 PM
Though traditionally taking a backseat to BMW and MB the new A8 may be groundbreaking. I've owned BMW's, MB's, Porsches and most recently an A6 4.2. This new A8 seems better and cheaper than the 745 or S series. Maybe BMW and MB have been sitting on their laurels for too long. It seems that the racing technology Audi developed in the last few years is trickling down the production line. ... Read More
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I_Drive
Written by: 300eguy05 on Sep 1, 2003 10:30:52 AM
Ah, yes the good old 300e. I have 150 thousandish miles on mine. Such a wonderful car to drive. I can't imagine trading it in for an M though! What a difference in those two cars. I am sure you could get a good deal on a 2003 S. But, you might want to wait for the 2004. It gets the 7 speed tranny. But if that isn't important to you, ... Read More
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HP and Torque
Written by: footie on Aug 13, 2003 4:45:45 AM
I was wrong, when comparing 2003 models, the A8 has highest horsepower. Lexus has highest torque. MB and Jag trail. When 2004's are out for all models we can revisit. Both Jag and Audi are up in 04 from 03. I supposed MB and Lex will be too. For those of you for whom seeing is believing, links follow: From the following sites: Lexus, MB and Edmunds Click to follow to ... Read More
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no title
Written by: merc1 on Jul 16, 2003 10:15:52 PM
Well the industry says it isn't, nobody has ever compared the Q45 with the S or 7 favorably. If Infiniti says its been "lackluster" in sales then I'd go with what they'd say about it. No other car in recent memory has bombed as bad in only its second model year. How you feel about a car and it's position in the market are two very different things. I feel the ... Read More
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no title
Written by: fenn on Jul 10, 2003 2:42:58 PM
Hello. I just came back to Town Hall, as I am in the market for a new car in the upscale sedan class. I am considering the 2004 Audi A8, and the 2004 Jaguar XJ8 at this point. I think that I have eliminated the 745i and MB E500...although I am still in my formative stages of this decision. I am one of the few folks that currently owns a 2002 ... Read More
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DonFenn - XJ v. A8
Written by: jagboyxtype on Jul 15, 2003 1:34:10 PM
"The only reason that I am looking to jump ship is that I do not want to drive the same exact car for another two years, and the Audi and 2004 Jag XJ8 are very appealing...." Here's the latest from Car & Driver: 2004 Audi A8 4.2: http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_- - - id=6853&page_number=1 2004 Jaguar XJR: http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=3&article_- id=6849&page_number=1 Just a note on that XJ, the color in the C&R pictures is not a ... Read More
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airmatic
Written by: merc1 on Jul 10, 2003 1:46:20 AM
Why I like the A8 so much: http://www.edmunds.com/new/2004/audi/a8/100284559/roadtestarticle- .html?articleId=100355&editorialpage=photo.html Man this thing is gorgeous inside and out, but especially inside. M
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merc1
Written by: ljflx on Jul 9, 2003 11:08:02 AM
The styling on the Maybach doesn't look as nice to me as before. It's definitely its weak point. Disreguarding that it sounds like its the best car in the world. Until Lexus builds one. Ah - I'm just kidding my friend. By the way - whether you like it or not - the SC430 is a great car, fun to drive and very high end luxury. I just drove it again ... Read More
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jesus christ...
Written by: airmatic on Jul 12, 2003 5:22:37 PM
i joined this discussion simply for the sake of pleasure, to learn information, and share polite thoughts and ideas. not to be attacked. merc1- well guess what? i HAVE SEEN And TEST DRIVEN the new Audi A8L (actually, several times; one of them is my neighbors; and the other time a close-friend). and i will be driving it AGAIN for the THIRD time within A MONTH. although it a beautiful sedan, ... Read More
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I'm a luxury car fan
Written by: dwongswong on Jun 27, 2003 10:13:05 PM
Hi everyone! I'm new to the luxury car board. I recently got an Audi A6 in February. Since then, I've already put close to 11,000 miles on it. I really like the way it drives--comfortable, fast enough for me, like the way it looks, and feels safe with the quattro. I've owned three BMW's before I finally got the Audi (a friend advised me to get one). Though I did research ... Read More
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merc1
Written by: ljflx on Jun 16, 2003 7:12:51 PM
I've been around - I got back from Chicago on Thursday - but I'm staying out of the merry-go-round discussion on the Lexus vs. MB board this time. Some Saturday this summer I'll get around to a local dealer that sells RR's and Audi's. It's where I tested the old A-8. I'm actually interested in taking a look at the new RR. I did think the paint job on the A-8 ... Read More
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Luxury Brands at Detroit
Written by: merc1 on Feb 6, 2003 9:35:14 PM
Been away for a while, well fear not I'm back. The Detroit Show was a true delight. I have never seen so much luxury and power on display. The stars of the show were the Cadillac Sixteen, Maybach 62 and Rolls-Royce Phantom. I missed my chance to sit in the Rolls by "that much" This is huge and elongated car. The interior is much nicer in person than it is in ... Read More
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Audi A8
Written by: JBaumgart on Nov 23, 2002 9:50:16 PM
Audi will be launching an expensive new advertising campaign for the 2004 A8 - they seem determined to increase sales here in the U.S. For those who haven't seen it, here's a pic of the exterior and here's one of the interior.
