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Re: One more note about Navigation system
Written by: adam_kelley on Dec 7, 2004 10:22:52 AM
I had traded in a 99 TL with Nav for my 05 RL and never had a single problem with the Nav. It never felt old or "tired" looking in it's older years. I remember when I test drove the BMW 5 series when I was shopping for my 05 RL, I couldn't believe how convoluted the BMW iDrive interface was. My 1999 Nav unit was still "light years" easier to ... Read More
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Re: HP vs. Torque vs. Performance [habitat1]
Written by: robertsmx on Nov 29, 2004 9:32:45 AM
The inflation in horsepower ratings does not appear to have produced significant gains in performance C&D has tested Acura TL at 5.8s with manual transmission (of course, and I would expect a similar number for RL had Acura equipped it with one). That’s pretty good for a 3500 lb. sedan and considerably faster than a 190 HP 3100 lb. car with manual transmission doing the run in 6.8s (the old Maxima). ... Read More
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Re: RL vs. TL value [kennyg5] / Tire size [habitat1]
Written by: talon95 on Nov 21, 2004 5:17:52 PM
"However, it should be noted that ALL Honda/Acura speedometers read 4-5%+/- too fast to begin with. If the speedometer says you are doing 70, you are actually doing 67+/-. This was confirmed by my service manager in a call with the regional representative. It can also be easily checked by setting your cruise control and using a stopwatch to time miles on a marked highway. The only exception to this "programmed ... Read More
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Re: Other Opinions? [safelder]
Written by: olneymd on Nov 17, 2004 1:50:27 PM
I've had my share of audi's since the mid-80s - the latest was a 2003 A4 Cabriolet. I've had the 05 RL for a month now, and I couldn't be happier. There's a sense of confidence in knowing that everything is working as it should, and that there's a customer centric service organization at my acura dealership should a glitch pop up. With the A4 - i had an oil leak ... Read More
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Re: Acura RL vs. Audi A6 - Same Price- hard to get [kyfdx]
Written by: markcincinnati on Oct 29, 2004 11:18:08 AM
I actually deal, now that the it is part of the Joseph group with the same salesrep I have been doing biz with for about 15 years. The brothers, per se, seem OK as far as I can tell. The new Audi dealership is a palace (for $7MM it should be). The Acura dealership is dated and is dualed with Hyundai -- isn't that ODD? We have several Acura dealerships and ... Read More
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Re: Accord derivative? [shawn3]
Written by: cathyturner on Oct 17, 2004 8:13:16 AM
Just test drove an Acura RL 2005. IMHO its not worth the money. I think the reviews are just hyped up. Though it handles well i did not think it had any much power at all. Technologically it is advanced but does not justify the mark of a Sports sedan. The shape resembles too much of Accord may be not a negative but as a Luxury car it should be different ... Read More
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Got the New Brochure Today: My Two Cents
Written by: legendman on Oct 3, 2004 12:55:24 AM
Got my brochure today. I found it a bit underwhelming. Had hoped for more. Too many shots of the car in silver (3 flavors); not enough of the other colors offered, IMHO. Main 2 interior shots were with the Ebony (Black) interior. I would have liked to see a larger view of the cabin in Taupe or Parchment. Lots of photos of the car were taken from overhead, that is, looking ... Read More
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Would I deserve one?
Written by: prophet2 on Sep 22, 2004 12:30:55 PM
Saw the Oprah show and those 276 motorists with their new Pontiacs. How about ACURA rewarding me for continuously having an ACURA vehicle in my garage since their introduction in April 1986? 1986 Legend (1986-87) 1987 Legend L coupe (1987-88) 1987 Integra LS (1987-1991) 1988 Integra LS (1988-92) 1991 Legend LS (1991-94) 1993 Integra LS Special Edition (1992-2002) 1987 Legend L coupe (1997-2000) 1996 RL (2000-present) 2003 RSX (2003-present) Also in ... Read More
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Re: Purchasing an RL [acurafan1]
Written by: legendman on Sep 16, 2004 11:14:09 PM
Acurafan: Before you give up on a new (2004) RL, why not get on your computer and look up some other Acura dealerships in surrounding states, and check their inventory? I don't know the geographical lay of the land there but perhaps you are close enough for a half day drive in a direction of a state that would have a car. You can negotiate over the phone, then go and ... Read More
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Re: Allotment and In-Stock Due Date [legendman]
Written by: ceric on Sep 10, 2004 11:48:14 PM
Sounds like Acura is going to keep close tabs on inventory movement which translates to me as not wanting to produce more than demand dictates (stale inventory killed profts on 2003 and 2004 RL models) and perhaps also to keep availability artificially low in order to create the impression of a "hard to get" car. Considering Acura has about 250 dealerships in USA, allotment of, on average, 15 for one dealership ... Read More
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Allotment and In-Stock Due Date
Written by: legendman on Sep 10, 2004 7:46:00 PM
I spoke with my sales guy at Keyes Acura in the Los Angeles, CA area. He says that they expect the car to be in stock around October 14-18. I asked about their allotment. He says they expect about 20 cars a month; that number (supposedly) going to the larger volume dealerships. Price: Acura HQ continued the "under $50K" refrain to those dealers who attended the local area introduction event. The ... Read More
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Details on new Speech Recognition/Navi System on the 2005 RL
Written by: legendman on Sep 2, 2004 11:21:26 AM
IBM Delivers New, World-Class In-Car Speech Recognition System for Navigation in 2005 Honda Cars (From: Auto-Tech 2004) SOMERS, N.Y.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Sept. 1, 2004-- IBM's Breakthrough Embedded ViaVoice(R) Technology Recognizes Street Names; Solution Bundled with Real-Time Navigation and Zagat Survey IBM(R), the world leader in information technology innovation, today announced that it has jointly developed with Honda Motor Company a unique, hands-free and natural-sounding in-vehicle speech-recognition system - the industry's leading-edge navigation application. ... Read More
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Written by: robertsmx on Aug 11, 2004 10:46:13 AM
With the new RL, Acura is trying to go back in time and perhaps improving upon it. The Acura Legend was a success, but never meant to compete with more powerful V8, and offered a sensible alternative with a balance between sport and luxury. The orientation got lost with the 1996-2004 RL. It leaned away from the balance into the world of isolation. But, the RL wasn’t the only car affected ... Read More
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2002RLs vs 2003 RLs
Written by: kello35 on Jul 23, 2004 10:23:28 PM
Contemplating purchasing an Acura RL. I have noticed a significantly greater number of 2002 RLs are available than 2003 Rls. Any particular reason?
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Re: mark [lexusguy]
Written by: markcincinnati on Jul 13, 2004 8:53:43 AM
Well, then, I think you have made my point. I have not been stranded by my Audis (since 1977). My co-worker has been stranded by his Acura. I take these with a grain of salt, because my personal recent experiences have not had many bumps in the road and no issues that cause me to be stranded. So, those of us who have a "particular" predilection for a brand (I, thus ... Read More
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Written by: merc1 on Jun 29, 2004 12:42:36 AM
Gulp! I can't believe I'm going to say this, but out of those pics I like the Lexus' interior the best. The RL looks like a kid's car with all that techno-looking stuff. I just don't think buyers of 45K luxury sedans want all that flash in their interiors. They want a conservative, but rich looking interior with all the right features. The Acura's looks overdone and contrived, as if they ... Read More
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robertsmx
Written by: saugatak on Jun 21, 2004 9:30:27 PM
Having seen the numbers from you that match my guesstimate, I assume your concern regarding RL’s torque numbers being a pie in the sky (or not) has been addressed. My guesstimate is based on assumption that RL will use 3.5-liter version of the V6 used in TL. They weren't MY numbers. I was posting numbers from another site, which is also pure speculation. We'll see which 3.5L version they use but ... Read More
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Re: robertsmx [saugatak #1387]
Written by: robertsmx on Jun 21, 2004 7:34:23 AM
Having seen the numbers from you that match my guesstimate, I assume your concern regarding RL’s torque numbers being a pie in the sky (or not) has been addressed. My guesstimate is based on assumption that RL will use 3.5-liter version of the V6 used in TL. Going beyond the peak numbers, let us analyze the 3.5/V6 used in MDX using the official dynograph. In Japan, the engine is rated at ... Read More
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Re: 2005 Acura RL Tire Size & Cost / Powertrain Warranty [legendman #1393]
Written by: markcincinnati on Jun 19, 2004 8:13:08 AM
I had exactly these tires in exactly this size on my 2003 Audi allroad -- the tires @ 19,000 miles were so noisy that my Bose audio system could hardly compete. I had purchased the tires on day one of ownership of my then brand new Audi. These tires are underwhelming in EVERY sense of the word, beyond 15,000 miles -- and yes they cost, ON LINE $820 plus shipping plus ... Read More
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Re: Automag recommendation [ceric #1256]
Written by: markcincinnati on Jun 14, 2004 6:59:15 AM
I agree with your post -- but I do think that the automagazines are not blind to safety, they may give it a short shrift, but I do believe there is at least a nod to this aspect. And with respect to all this German bashing, talk of auto magazines and Consumers Reports: Consumer's Reports may be the end all be all of automotive prose -- unbiased, factual, etc. The car ... Read More
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Re: [lexusguy #1214]
Written by: robertsmx on Jun 10, 2004 2:17:42 PM
Honda has showcased several hybrids with powerful electric motors. Here are the major Honda Hybrid Prototypes/Concepts showcased over last three years… 2001 Honda Dual Note / 2002 Acura DNX (400 HP/AWD) 3.5 liter DOHC I-VTEC V6: 300 HP Three Electric Motors (two front “in-wheel” mounted, and one mounted beside the “mid-mounted” gasoline engine): 100 HP 2002 Acura RDX (250 HP/AWD) 2.4 liter DOHC I-VTEC I-4: 190 HP Two front “in-wheel” mounted ... Read More
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Re: Acura's RL AWD system [ksoman #1175]
Written by: markcincinnati on Jun 8, 2004 8:03:01 AM
Actually I thought the "debate" was going down a path concerning the Lexus ES300 and the Camry (fraternal twins, or very similar cousins so to speak). If you engineer the AWD system for the Lexus, you essentially get "two for the price of one" for your engineering and tooling budget. This particular forum is not the place, but it would be interesting to see a list of FWD, RWD, and AWD ... Read More
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Mark, Jeff and Lexusguy
Written by: steveaccord on May 5, 2004 12:42:02 PM
Well guys, I am enjoying this 'new page' in the post. I believe that we are going to set a nice tone on expressing one's opinion in the best possible way! Going on specifics for each one of you I guess I am in agreement with what each of you is saying. We clearly give preference to those aspects of car ownership that give us the highest 'satisfaction' and we cope ... Read More
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RL observations...
Written by: lovemyclk on Apr 12, 2004 3:25:07 PM
1st of all, Honda engineers know a bit about building great cars and powerplants. How the 2 come together in the form of the next RL remains to be seen... looking forward to the enthusiast mags running the RL through its paces. As a 2003 BMW 530i (SP,PP,Steptronic,Zenons) "driver", I'm one of those people that appreciates how all the components play together to create the symphony. My guess is that the ... Read More
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lexusguy
Written by: andrewtran71 on Apr 9, 2004 5:56:42 AM
I take it you prefer to "feel the road" while driving like most Acura/Honda fans. In addition to my LS400 and Avalon, I also own a 2003 Honda Odyssey, by the way. So how come you're not "acuraguy" instead of "lexusguy"? I always thought that people buy Acura just because it's cheaper than Lexus. But somehow I now realize that the reason people buy Acura is because they like the way ... Read More
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Production
Written by: varmint on Dec 5, 2003 2:41:44 PM
Honda cannot simply snap their fingers and increase production capacity. It takes years to research a new line. The site must be located, the viability of the workforce determined, financing secured, environmental impact studies conducted, contracts negotiated (or officials bribed), and then finally they get to build the thing. By the time the line is built, or even expanded, the car it was designed to support is now several years old ... Read More
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no title
Written by: varmint on Oct 3, 2003 8:27:26 AM
Actually, I think that entire review could be summed up with two sentences, "New cars are good. Old cars are bad." That's really all it's telling us. I don't disagree with the assessment of the RL, but the description of Acura's place in the market is weak. For example: the author cites the RSX and TSX as the way things should be done. With the TSX, I agree. However, the RSX ... Read More
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I need some help....
Written by: jcinsc on Jul 31, 2003 10:28:26 AM
I think I need some help... First of all, I have a 99' RL Pearl White and it's been with me since day one over 4 years now. I purchased the extended warranty when I got the car new and now I found out the passager side headlight is not as bright/blue bright as the other. I am not sure if this means I need to get a pair of new ... Read More
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2000 RL Recall Master Brake Cylinder
Written by: blerner1 on Jul 19, 2003 6:40:05 PM
Check the NHTSA site. June 30,2003 818 Acura 3.5RL Master Cylinder Recall Although the VIN numbers are not given I know the VIN numbers are those numbers ending in 00013 thru 1000. The dealers got the recall as of July 18,2003 http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/
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no title
Written by: varmint on Jul 14, 2003 7:43:57 AM
The Japanese V8 models are pretty much there for press drives. They are not volume cars, but they make the entire model-line look a little better. The RL lacks that halo effect. I agree that the RL is badly neglected, but I can't fault Acura for not updating it in the past two years. If the rumors about using a hybrid drive train are true, then waiting for it to be ... Read More
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Gee, thanks for the great new RL
Written by: satire on Feb 17, 2003 3:23:49 AM
I must assume that someone at Acura checks these boards to keep a finger on the public's pulse. Therefore let me express my complete disappointment with the lack of a totally new car for 2004. At hondanews.com they rave about the sales figures for the other Acura models but strangely say nothing about the RL's sales figures for 2002. Plus the news releases for the 2004 RL mostly gush about the ... Read More
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Recent RL Buyer - misc ?'s
Written by: danfortner on Feb 6, 2003 9:55:09 PM
Hello, I recently purchased my first REAL LEGIT LUXURY CAR. It is an 99 Acura 3.5 RL with 28350 miles. It is the CLASSIC RL color - Nighthawk Black. A lease return from Mass. I just wanted to ask a few misc things that hopefully other RL owners will have experiance with. I was going to use Zaino from everyone's recomendation. But i was wondering what everyone uses? Want to get ... Read More
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2003 RL $3500 below invoice
Written by: bobbycar on Feb 6, 2003 6:16:43 PM
2003 RLs have $3,500 marketing support. The first dealer (Tustin Acura) that contacted me offered to sell me, over the phone, a RL for $35,421. The invoice is $38,921 (including $500 shipping) and the marketing support (to the dealer?) is $3,500. I used the Edmunds dealer feature - it worked well. It may be cheaper to buy a 2003 than lease. The residuals on the 2003 is ~47-48% (~$21.9k), down from ... Read More
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2004 RL and TL
Written by: jfavour on Jan 20, 2003 2:30:34 PM
I read the following on the car connection's daily edition for 1/17/02: "XM Satellite Radio, America's leading satellite radio service, will be available as an option on several key Acura and Honda models, Honda announced. Scheduled to be released in the spring of 2003, the 2004 Acura RL will be delivered with XM Satellite Radio hardware as standard equipment. This will be followed by the all-new 2004 TL sedan in the ... Read More
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Mercedes E320 vs. Acura RL
Written by: mfaraino1 on Jan 26, 2003 1:00:47 PM
Retnav, You're really talking about 2 entirely different cars and the way they are designed. I have a 2000 Acura RL and a 1998 MB E320. You are absolutely right about resale value. There is no way that the MB will depreciate as quickly as the Acura. You're going to pay about 15-20K more for the MB though (for the E320 not the E500). The Acura is more of a cruising ... Read More
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no title
Written by: diploid on Jan 5, 2003 8:05:36 PM
naias.com is down. But so far, the only buzz concerning Acura is the TSX debut. Edmunds say the TL & RL are due for upgrades in 2004, which means they'll most likely be unveiled in the Fall of 2003. That also concurs with previous rumors that the TL will be unveiled in the Fall and not in the Spring.
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Factory to dealer incentive gone?
Written by: mrrogers on Dec 11, 2002 3:23:58 PM
I checked the price of both a new 2003 RL and a 2002 RL at www.carsdirect.com, and they are both $39320. It appears the $4000 factory to dealer incentive is gone. Does anyone know if this is just a problem with the website, or has Acura sold out the 2002 RL's?
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pclark
Written by: pclark2 on Dec 5, 2002 12:49:45 PM
I just bought a 2002RL from my local Acura store in Overland Park, KS. I bought a non-navi model for $35,000. This is my fourth car to purchase from this dealer and they have been great to deal with and service has been excellent with all 4 cars. I am very pleased with the RL....it is put together soo much better than anything made in the states....no squeeks or rattles and ... Read More
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2004 RL news
Written by: l943973 on Nov 15, 2002 10:09:13 AM
This was in autoweek today: "Acura reportedly developing high-performance hybrid RL for U.S. Sources tell us that a high- performance hybrid Acura will arrive as the next RL sport-luxury sedan. The car’s 200-hp 3.0-liter V6 driving the front wheels gets a torquey 160-hp boost from an electric motor driving the rear wheels. Regenerative braking recharges the battery powering the electric motor. In concept form, as the 400-hp Acura DN-X sports sedan ... Read More
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prices?
Written by: hintz on Nov 13, 2002 6:46:03 PM
My dealer has a 2002 RL(no Nav) what would be a good price? Of course they also have several 2003's. I like the quality of Acura and the fit and finish. Looking for a long term reliable car.
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goldkey
Written by: lenscap on Nov 4, 2002 10:41:22 AM
Actually, your figures are wrong. I took the volume numbers directly from the 2003 RL brochure. Look it up yourself, it's in there on the specs page. You can't get a more accurate source than Acura itself. If you still don't believe me go to acura.com (where the numbers listed are slightly different than the brochure, 96.5 passenger/14.0 cargo). Or take a look at kbb.com, where the figures are broken out. ... Read More
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Sorry for the lengthy message, but................
Written by: satire on Oct 29, 2002 11:22:16 PM
basballmom94- I'm a little late (CONGRATS ON THE PURCHASE!), but I'd still like to share my opinion of the extended warranty issue. When I purchased my 2002 RL in July I sold my 1999 TL to my best friend. A condition of his purchase was that he had to buy the Acura extended warranty for used cars (I insisted but I also gave him almost $5K off the actual cash value). ... Read More
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Kennyg5: Edmunds Review
Written by: mrrogers on Oct 24, 2002 5:40:51 AM
To find the Edmunds 03RL review: Go into www.edmunds.com Click on New Click on Acura Click on 2003 RL Click on 3.5 4 dr sedan Click on Overview Scroll down past editor's summary to Overview
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03 RL gets tonque lashing
Written by: goldkey on Oct 22, 2002 9:24:51 AM
Edmunds just posted overview for "new" 03 RL. Boy, they gave them hell - No luxury and no performance. Pretty damning. But I think is fair. As everything is relative. Note, when basically the same car came out back in 96 it got great reviews, but with every year as RL remained basically unchanged while things around it did, the reviews got less and less positive and more critical. Which is ... Read More
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2003 RL
Written by: sburke7 on Oct 6, 2002 12:30:24 PM
is here,,,some refinements?,,,is listed on acura web-site,,, SBurke
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2003 RL changes
Written by: l943973 on Sep 19, 2002 6:45:33 AM
Here is the scoop from Honda corporate: (http://www.hondanews.com) "For 2003, Acura's flagship sedan receives subtle refinements that enhance its already distinctive styling. A new interior color, Slate Gray, is available as are three new wood trims: Auburn Camphor, Golden Camphor and Black Camphor. The 3.5 RL also receives three new exterior colors: Carbon Gray Pearl, Polar Blue Metallic and Champagne Mist Pearl. In the rear, a new taillight lens design features ... Read More
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News from Motor Trend
Written by: satire on Sep 12, 2002 8:34:19 PM
Here is the entire review from Motor Trend on the 2003 RL: "Benefiting from a host of upgrades for '02, Acura's senior sedan gains only new wheels, taillights, and minor trim changes to set off its comprehensively appointed '03 package. The RL's mechanical features include a 3.5L/225-HP SOHC VTEC V-6, electronically controlled four speed automatic transmission, double wishbone suspension, four-wheel dics with ABS, stability control, and front/front-side airbags. On the luxury ... Read More
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goldkey
Written by: ecarmack on Sep 5, 2002 7:13:28 AM
I called an Acura dealer, and he said the incentive has been extended, but not increased. He said he only had one 2002 RL left, but I would think the incentive would reappear pretty quickly on the 2003s.
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Random replys, suggestions
Written by: satire on Aug 25, 2002 11:15:23 PM
As for the 2003 RL, Motor Trend and Automobile Magazines will soon publish (if not already on the newsstands) their 2003 new car previews. Surely whatever changes, if any, that Acura has in store for the RL will be referenced. Only thing I can find out is that little will change for 2003 with some big changes coming in 2004. What those changes will be are still the subject of much ... Read More
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2003 Acura RL
Written by: djnman on Jul 30, 2002 1:58:02 PM
I read a couple of posts back there is a complete change for the 2003 RL. Is this true and does anyone have any information on that?
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03 RL?
Written by: rlman on May 22, 2002 11:08:22 AM
There doesn't seem to be any updated info on the 2003 RL. The dealers claim they don't know anything, and none of the auto magazines or sites have any recent info. Is it typical of Acura/Honda to be so secretive? I'm assuming they don't want to divulge any info so that current sales aren't affected. I'm hoping to buy an RL, but the best prices I'm getting quoted is around $38000 ... Read More
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Here is copy and paste from my post # 23
Written by: alexalee1 on Oct 6, 2000 7:59:45 PM
23 of 47: NO NEW RL until 2003/2004 (alexalee1) Wed 27 Sep '00 (11:45 AM) According to the Automotive News, issue from 2 - 3 weeks ago, Acura IS STILL DECIDING this year whether or not to offer the next RL with a front or rear wheel drive, and the next RL won't come up until 2003/2004 model year. The reason is, dealers in the snow country don't want the next ... Read More
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NO NEW RL until 2003/2004
Written by: alexalee1 on Sep 27, 2000 7:45:18 PM
According to the Automotive News, issue from 2 - 3 weeks ago, Acura IS STILL DECIDING this year whether or not to offer the next RL with a front or rear wheel drive, and the next RL won't come up until 2003/2004 model year. The reason is, dealers in the snow country don't want the next RL to be RWD. To me, this is a long wait. Why don't they offer ... Read More
